Comments on: The Iraq War and Immigration – have we reached a breaking point? http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2007/10/02/the-iraq-war-and-immigration-have-we-reached-a-breaking-point/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-iraq-war-and-immigration-have-we-reached-a-breaking-point Where La Raza comes to discuss its leaders, where you can learn about issues in Latino politics. Sat, 05 May 2012 23:43:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Frank http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2007/10/02/the-iraq-war-and-immigration-have-we-reached-a-breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-1757 Frank Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:39:58 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=40#comment-1757 I know "of " some and their loyalty is to Mexico. It was evidenced by the marches of May, 2006 too. Go to any rallies and everything is Viva Mexico. There is so much evidence of it out there, I am surprised you would even ask. Actually there is evidence out their that some Mexican-American citizens feel the same way. That is what really puzzles most Americans. Why when America has provided so much for them, would they feel that way. I think we are mostly a cash cow for them. Urinate on them? WTH are you talking about? I wouldn't urinate on anyone, including Charles Manson. You sure like to make assumptions about people you don't even know, don't you? Or is it only those who oppose illegal immigration that you like to insult? I didn't ask them to pick my fruit, clean my house or anything else. They have no right to be working in this country. I'll gladly pay six bucks for an apple to return to a nation of laws and secure our borders from terrorists (not calling those who look for work terrorists either). So it is racism and bigotry to want our immigration laws enforced and our borders secured? How so? I have nothing against legal immgrants no matter what their ethnicity is. So how am I a bigot? I'll tell you what is racist though. Those who advocate the breaking of our immigration laws just because the illegals are ethnically like themselves. Ring a bell? I know “of ” some and their loyalty is to Mexico. It was evidenced by the marches of May, 2006 too. Go to any rallies and everything is Viva Mexico. There is so much evidence of it out there, I am surprised you would even ask. Actually there is evidence out their that some Mexican-American citizens feel the same way.

That is what really puzzles most Americans. Why when America has provided so much for them, would they feel that way. I think we are mostly a cash cow for them.

Urinate on them? WTH are you talking about? I wouldn’t urinate on anyone, including Charles Manson. You sure like to make assumptions about people you don’t even know, don’t you? Or is it only those who oppose illegal immigration that you like to insult?

I didn’t ask them to pick my fruit, clean my house or anything else. They have no right to be working in this country. I’ll gladly pay six bucks for an apple to return to a nation of laws and secure our borders from terrorists (not calling those who look for work terrorists either).

So it is racism and bigotry to want our immigration laws enforced and our borders secured? How so? I have nothing against legal immgrants no matter what their ethnicity is. So how am I a bigot?

I’ll tell you what is racist though. Those who advocate the breaking of our immigration laws just because the illegals are ethnically like themselves. Ring a bell?

]]> By: Michaelr http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2007/10/02/the-iraq-war-and-immigration-have-we-reached-a-breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-1734 Michaelr Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:22:18 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=40#comment-1734 Hey Frank: how many illegal aliens do you actually converse with? Or are these assumptions you make wholly based on FOX news? Do you think a man or woman, who is desperate enough to illegally cross the border, so they can earn money for their families, is loyal to that same country that can’t even support them? Those illegal aliens may be ignorant and uneducated, but they know who butters their bread. And still you urinate all over them. Is this what Jesus Christ would do? Since when is fair equally distributed amongst the masses? Right now, those same illegal aliens you piss on are picking your fruits and vegetables, so you don’t have to pay six dollars for an apple at the grocery store. Right now these same illegal aliens are cleaning your houses and raising your children, so you can work sixty hours a week and give away 1/3 of your hard earned tax dollars to Halliburton, Blackwater, and the oil industry. And right now these same illegal aliens are dying for you in Iraq, so you don’t have go over there and step on a landmine for Dick Cheney and George W. Bush’s 401K plans. Sell your racial bigotry somewhere else Frank. Let’s hear some humanity coming from your soul! Hey Frank: how many illegal aliens do you actually converse with? Or are these assumptions you make wholly based on FOX news? Do you think a man or woman, who is desperate enough to illegally cross the border, so they can earn money for their families, is loyal to that same country that can’t even support them? Those illegal aliens may be ignorant and uneducated, but they know who butters their bread. And still you urinate all over them. Is this what Jesus Christ would do? Since when is fair equally distributed amongst the masses? Right now, those same illegal aliens you piss on are picking your fruits and vegetables, so you don’t have to pay six dollars for an apple at the grocery store. Right now these same illegal aliens are cleaning your houses and raising your children, so you can work sixty hours a week and give away 1/3 of your hard earned tax dollars to Halliburton, Blackwater, and the oil industry. And right now these same illegal aliens are dying for you in Iraq, so you don’t have go over there and step on a landmine for Dick Cheney and George W. Bush’s 401K plans. Sell your racial bigotry somewhere else Frank. Let’s hear some humanity coming from your soul!

]]> By: Frank http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2007/10/02/the-iraq-war-and-immigration-have-we-reached-a-breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-1632 Frank Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:17:58 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=40#comment-1632 Personally, I don't think that the military should enlist illegal aliens in their ranks and certainly the government shouldn't make promises to them it has no intention of keeping. That isn't fair either. If one is going to defend our country, they should have a vested interest and a history which includes citizenship in our country. Too many "immigrant's" loyalties lies with their home countries and even though we may not be at war with them, divided loyalties isn't desirable in our military. Personally, I don’t think that the military should enlist illegal aliens in their ranks and certainly the government shouldn’t make promises to them it has no intention of keeping. That isn’t fair either.

If one is going to defend our country, they should have a vested interest and a history which includes citizenship in our country. Too many “immigrant’s” loyalties lies with their home countries and even though we may not be at war with them, divided loyalties isn’t desirable in our military.

]]> By: barista http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2007/10/02/the-iraq-war-and-immigration-have-we-reached-a-breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-1576 barista Fri, 05 Oct 2007 04:10:08 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=40#comment-1576 You don't have to appologize Michaelr. Maybe you were the only one who didn't see it. Have a good night. You don’t have to appologize Michaelr. Maybe you were the only one who didn’t see it. Have a good night.

]]> By: Michaelr http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2007/10/02/the-iraq-war-and-immigration-have-we-reached-a-breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-1571 Michaelr Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:16:48 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=40#comment-1571 Barista: I apologize not being as intelligent as you are, and not having the inventiveness and fortitude to be able to read between your lines. Sarcasm has a dialogue all its own, but I guess your sarcasm has a stealth quality to it. For those of us without the mental capacities to decipher your own unique brand of sarcasm, please install your sarcasm face before and after every sarcastic sentence. That way, we can appreciate your blog entries for what they are. Thank you. Barista: I apologize not being as intelligent as you are, and not having the inventiveness and fortitude to be able to read between your lines. Sarcasm has a dialogue all its own, but I guess your sarcasm has a stealth quality to it. For those of us without the mental capacities to decipher your own unique brand of sarcasm, please install your sarcasm face before and after every sarcastic sentence. That way, we can appreciate your blog entries for what they are. Thank you.

]]> By: PMG! http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2007/10/02/the-iraq-war-and-immigration-have-we-reached-a-breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-1567 PMG! Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:36:22 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=40#comment-1567 Ah! The DREAM Act.... nothing has filled more more with hope, or has brought me to tears more than the DREAM Act. It still stumbles... but still has a pulse... http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_7025210?source=rss --Dommy! Ah! The DREAM Act…. nothing has filled more more with hope, or has brought me to tears more than the DREAM Act. It still stumbles… but still has a pulse…

http://www.contracostatimes.com/ci_7025210?source=rss

–Dommy!

]]> By: barista http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2007/10/02/the-iraq-war-and-immigration-have-we-reached-a-breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-1564 barista Thu, 04 Oct 2007 04:43:32 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=40#comment-1564 No Michaelr. But I'm content with being sarcastic. Maybe next time I'll put a liittle sarcastic face for those of you who can't read between the lines. And I guess that now I'm to assume that my opportunities are limited based exclusively on my ethnicity.. (This is where I plug in my sarcastic face). No Michaelr. But I’m content with being sarcastic. Maybe next time I’ll put a liittle sarcastic face for those of you who can’t read between the lines. And I guess that now I’m to assume that my opportunities are limited based exclusively on my ethnicity.. (This is where I plug in my sarcastic face).

]]> By: Michaelr http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2007/10/02/the-iraq-war-and-immigration-have-we-reached-a-breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-1559 Michaelr Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:52:44 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=40#comment-1559 Natural progression? Are you content with limited opportunities based exclusively on your ethnicity? Natural progression? Are you content with limited opportunities based exclusively on your ethnicity?

]]> By: barista http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2007/10/02/the-iraq-war-and-immigration-have-we-reached-a-breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-1555 barista Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:53:48 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=40#comment-1555 Well, it makes sense to me. We do all of the dirty work most U.S. citizens don't want to do, like picking strawberries, working at car washes, and now fighting wars. It's just the natural progression of things.. Well, it makes sense to me. We do all of the dirty work most U.S. citizens don’t want to do, like picking strawberries, working at car washes, and now fighting wars. It’s just the natural progression of things..

]]> By: XP http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2007/10/02/the-iraq-war-and-immigration-have-we-reached-a-breaking-point/comment-page-1/#comment-1553 XP Wed, 03 Oct 2007 02:04:54 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=40#comment-1553 And yet the DREAM Act gets pushed with help further increase those numbers. Michael I am glad you asked that question. I had found this article on MSN when I was given the same military meme. <a href="http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/CollegeAndFamily/MoneyInYour20s/DoesMilitaryServiceStillPay.aspx" rel="nofollow">Does military service still pay?</a> Your chances of success using today's military as an economic springboard depend on three things: What you want: Are you looking for a career? A way to pay for school? Skills can use as a civilian? What you bring to the table: How willing are you to risk your life? Do you have any particular skill the military needs? The deal you cut when signing up. The military is stingy with cash. Most recruits enter at one of the lower pay grades and make only around $1,200 to $1,400 a month ($14,400 to $16,800 a year). So, if you're talking strictly money in the pocket, soldiers, sailors and airmen can't keep up with civilians. Someone who entered the military at 19 and served eight years typically will have reached the E-5 pay grade, with pay that ranges from $29,000 to $32,000 a year. That's comparable to the average pay of a civilian 27-year-old, according to Census Bureau data. Civilian jobs pay out about 67% in cash and the rest in benefits; the <b>military pays just 49% in cash</b> -- most of your compensation is in benefits. So, while you'll be grateful when you're 40 that you had the GI Bill while your colleague in the next cubicle is paying off a $30,000 student loan, while you're in active duty, you'll be out of luck if you want to, oh, pay the baby sitter or buy a house -- the kinds of things your civilian friends are doing. And yet the DREAM Act gets pushed with help further increase those numbers. Michael I am glad you asked that question. I had found this article on MSN when I was given the same military meme.

Does military service still pay?
Your chances of success using today’s military as an economic springboard depend on three things:
What you want: Are you looking for a career? A way to pay for school? Skills can use as a civilian?

What you bring to the table: How willing are you to risk your life? Do you have any particular skill the military needs?

The deal you cut when signing up.

The military is stingy with cash. Most recruits enter at one of the lower pay grades and make only around $1,200 to $1,400 a month ($14,400 to $16,800 a year). So, if you’re talking strictly money in the pocket, soldiers, sailors and airmen can’t keep up with civilians.

Someone who entered the military at 19 and served eight years typically will have reached the E-5 pay grade, with pay that ranges from $29,000 to $32,000 a year. That’s comparable to the average pay of a civilian 27-year-old, according to Census Bureau data.

Civilian jobs pay out about 67% in cash and the rest in benefits; the military pays just 49% in cash — most of your compensation is in benefits. So, while you’ll be grateful when you’re 40 that you had the GI Bill while your colleague in the next cubicle is paying off a $30,000 student loan, while you’re in active duty, you’ll be out of luck if you want to, oh, pay the baby sitter or buy a house — the kinds of things your civilian friends are doing.

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