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		<title>By: The Corporate Partner Conundrum</title>
		<link>http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2008/08/12/activism-opportunity-target-disney/comment-page-1/#comment-68858</link>
		<dc:creator>The Corporate Partner Conundrum</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] labor history in regards to its hotel workers, which this blog has covered before back in the Summer of 2008), then there would be some sort of outrage about who exactly these associations serve. I have met [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cousin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cousin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think its ridiculous that people are being denied decent health insurance, i mean its bad enough that all we have in this country is sick care as opposed to health care but without insurance a middle class family could go broke simply paying for doctor visits, shots, medicine, and then g-d forbid a trip the hospital this is simply outrageous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think its ridiculous that people are being denied decent health insurance, i mean its bad enough that all we have in this country is sick care as opposed to health care but without insurance a middle class family could go broke simply paying for doctor visits, shots, medicine, and then g-d forbid a trip the hospital this is simply outrageous!</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Carrillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Carrillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labor issues are often very difficult to understand. On one hand, of course, I stand for equal pay and living wages, unions are for the most part, a decent middle man to take care of those issues. But our poor economic state, HMO accountability (or lack thereof), globalization and bad U.S working conditions dont help the situation. I wonder how much investment the Disney corporation has made in new theme parks and how their return has been. For the most part, Disney has been good at paying their employees, at least those that dont work in hotels... I saw a news bit today about how the Union has had 14 demonstrations, yet has only shown up to 11 of the meetings w/ Disney. The news however, did not say how many meetings there were in total, it could have been 12, it could have been 20. I saw that people dressed up as Snow White, Mickey Mouse and other Disney characters were arrested. I&#039;m sure jail is going to be load of laughs. not. 
I have to say, though, all the arguments above are pretty legitamate, and at least having a converstation, even if by means of this blog, is pretty amazing... and the insults make it spicy to read. I hope the union is able to work out a deal for its employees that is rational and sustainable, and i hope Disney meets their demands with accountability. Sidebar: I just went to Disneyland last week... it was hot and sticky, the Idiana Jones ride broke down literally right before i got on the ride after waiting 1 hour. It was the I need Prozac to be in my happy place on earth. 
tragic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labor issues are often very difficult to understand. On one hand, of course, I stand for equal pay and living wages, unions are for the most part, a decent middle man to take care of those issues. But our poor economic state, HMO accountability (or lack thereof), globalization and bad U.S working conditions dont help the situation. I wonder how much investment the Disney corporation has made in new theme parks and how their return has been. For the most part, Disney has been good at paying their employees, at least those that dont work in hotels&#8230; I saw a news bit today about how the Union has had 14 demonstrations, yet has only shown up to 11 of the meetings w/ Disney. The news however, did not say how many meetings there were in total, it could have been 12, it could have been 20. I saw that people dressed up as Snow White, Mickey Mouse and other Disney characters were arrested. I&#8217;m sure jail is going to be load of laughs. not.<br />
I have to say, though, all the arguments above are pretty legitamate, and at least having a converstation, even if by means of this blog, is pretty amazing&#8230; and the insults make it spicy to read. I hope the union is able to work out a deal for its employees that is rational and sustainable, and i hope Disney meets their demands with accountability. Sidebar: I just went to Disneyland last week&#8230; it was hot and sticky, the Idiana Jones ride broke down literally right before i got on the ride after waiting 1 hour. It was the I need Prozac to be in my happy place on earth.<br />
tragic.</p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Multi-national corporations, especially Western European and Japanese corporations experience fewer turnovers of lower level employees because they pay livable wages at the bottom end of their pay scales.&lt;/i&gt;

On the contrary, a &quot;livable wage&quot;, or really anything that makes labor more expensive, results in less labor being utilized. And who do you think that hurts? If you guessed the poor, uneducated, and minority, you guessed right!

The livable wage, the minimum wage, and generally higher labor regulations in Europe is precisely why their unemployment rate is significantly higher than it is the United States, see &lt;a href=&quot;http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2008/01/it-could-be-worse-we-could-have.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here &lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2007/05/eu-unemployment-falls-to-record-low-73.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

This is why it is usually rich white liberals that favor European economics over US economics...after all, its precisely them that benefit, while the poor, the uneducated, and especially the discriminated against bares the brunt of its down fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Multi-national corporations, especially Western European and Japanese corporations experience fewer turnovers of lower level employees because they pay livable wages at the bottom end of their pay scales.</i></p>
<p>On the contrary, a &#8220;livable wage&#8221;, or really anything that makes labor more expensive, results in less labor being utilized. And who do you think that hurts? If you guessed the poor, uneducated, and minority, you guessed right!</p>
<p>The livable wage, the minimum wage, and generally higher labor regulations in Europe is precisely why their unemployment rate is significantly higher than it is the United States, see <a href="http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2008/01/it-could-be-worse-we-could-have.html" rel="nofollow">here </a> and <a href="http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2007/05/eu-unemployment-falls-to-record-low-73.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>This is why it is usually rich white liberals that favor European economics over US economics&#8230;after all, its precisely them that benefit, while the poor, the uneducated, and especially the discriminated against bares the brunt of its down fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Michaelr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michaelr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 02:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’re assuming Disney, along with Wal-Mart, Tyson Foods, Monsanto, and most Corporate American companies pay livable wages to their low level employees.  Since the early 1980s the vast majority of American corporations had ceased following those wage guidelines with help from the Federal government at the time.  U.S. Federal Minimum Wage is not a livable wage.  A person working full time earning Minimum Wage cannot pay the average rent on a one bedroom apartment in the United States.  Multi-national corporations, especially Western European and Japanese corporations experience fewer turnovers of lower level employees because they pay livable wages at the bottom end of their pay scales.  This is why the EU and the Japanese companies have been producing superior products worldwide for the last thirty years.  They pay their lower level employees a livable wage and their CEOs rarely have salaries above one million dollars a year.  The average CEO of an American public company earns 9.7 million dollars a year, plus perks worth an average of 5.4 million dollars per year.  That’s American excess taken to extremes.  And you wonder why Toyota, American Honda, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes-Benz rule the roast and will continue in that direction until American corporations learn to run lean at the top.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re assuming Disney, along with Wal-Mart, Tyson Foods, Monsanto, and most Corporate American companies pay livable wages to their low level employees.  Since the early 1980s the vast majority of American corporations had ceased following those wage guidelines with help from the Federal government at the time.  U.S. Federal Minimum Wage is not a livable wage.  A person working full time earning Minimum Wage cannot pay the average rent on a one bedroom apartment in the United States.  Multi-national corporations, especially Western European and Japanese corporations experience fewer turnovers of lower level employees because they pay livable wages at the bottom end of their pay scales.  This is why the EU and the Japanese companies have been producing superior products worldwide for the last thirty years.  They pay their lower level employees a livable wage and their CEOs rarely have salaries above one million dollars a year.  The average CEO of an American public company earns 9.7 million dollars a year, plus perks worth an average of 5.4 million dollars per year.  That’s American excess taken to extremes.  And you wonder why Toyota, American Honda, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes-Benz rule the roast and will continue in that direction until American corporations learn to run lean at the top.</p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo: I meant to say, 

&quot;I claimed that forcing Disneyland to pay more for its employees could result in less people working, all of which will be worse off than those that merely lost their HEALTHCARE.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo: I meant to say, </p>
<p>&#8220;I claimed that forcing Disneyland to pay more for its employees could result in less people working, all of which will be worse off than those that merely lost their HEALTHCARE.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: HispanicPundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>HispanicPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 01:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay...now that we&#039;ve settled that I live at home with my mommie, pay only student loans, self-loathe, hates poor brown people and can&#039;t do basic arithmetic...how about addressing my points?

Just to summarize:

I claimed that forcing Disneyland to pay more for its employees could result in less people working, all of which will be worse off than those that merely lost their job. 

I also claimed that forcing employers to provide healthcare is a bad way to help the poor. It forces those that don&#039;t need health insurance (say, the young) to take a pay cut when in many cases extra pay would have helped them better.

 And I also made the claim that what Disneyland is doing is really no different than what other companies already do - if you work part time, you don&#039;t get health insurance. Period. 

Let me add one final claim. I believe, strongly believe, that an economy where GM and Ford are the models is an economy that leaves us all poorer.  Short term gains for long term loses. Detroit, the workers in the area, and the economy as a whole suffers because unions don&#039;t know where to stop. 

Now, what part of this do you disagree with? Because even a non-arithmetic, living at home ignoramus like myself could understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay&#8230;now that we&#8217;ve settled that I live at home with my mommie, pay only student loans, self-loathe, hates poor brown people and can&#8217;t do basic arithmetic&#8230;how about addressing my points?</p>
<p>Just to summarize:</p>
<p>I claimed that forcing Disneyland to pay more for its employees could result in less people working, all of which will be worse off than those that merely lost their job. </p>
<p>I also claimed that forcing employers to provide healthcare is a bad way to help the poor. It forces those that don&#8217;t need health insurance (say, the young) to take a pay cut when in many cases extra pay would have helped them better.</p>
<p> And I also made the claim that what Disneyland is doing is really no different than what other companies already do &#8211; if you work part time, you don&#8217;t get health insurance. Period. </p>
<p>Let me add one final claim. I believe, strongly believe, that an economy where GM and Ford are the models is an economy that leaves us all poorer.  Short term gains for long term loses. Detroit, the workers in the area, and the economy as a whole suffers because unions don&#8217;t know where to stop. </p>
<p>Now, what part of this do you disagree with? Because even a non-arithmetic, living at home ignoramus like myself could understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: I'm Not The Only One</title>
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		<dc:creator>I'm Not The Only One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hispanic Pundit has the right idea.  Unlike the federal government who can run trillions of dollars in debt, corporations do not have that luxury.  If they incur enough debt, their employees will not have to worry about health benefits and salary because the company will file for bankruptcy and they will be unemployed.

Disney&#039;s hotels, theme parks and stores require a certain number of employees to keep it operating at a level that will keep customers satisfied.  Paying more money to give the same benefits to part-time employees as full-time employees means less money to hire more employees or worse, keep some employees on the payroll.

Government doesn&#039;t really have to worry about debt, which is why part-time employees (whose paychecks are obviously smaller than those of their full-time colleagues) should be able to turn to the government for health insurance.  Unfortunately, some members of the working poor, for reasons only known to Congress, are not deemed poor enough to qualify for Medicaid or Medicare.

State-sponsored universal health care for those who cannot afford a private insurer is not a perfect solution for millions of uninsured Americans, but it&#039;s a better and more realistic solution than using the law to force private companies to provide health benefits to its employees.

Besides, if the union cares so damn much about its low-wage workers, perhaps they shouldn&#039;t make them pay union dues.   If the unions don&#039;t know where in their budget to cut expenses to allow low-wage workers free union membership, perhaps they should look at the six-figure salaries of their highest ranking officers.  Most union bosses are paid very well, growing fat off the union dues of the working poor.  That&#039;s worse than any allegation of &quot;corporate greed&quot; that I could ever think of.

Go ahead, boycott Disney.  Warner Bros. is funnier anyway and Six Flags theme parks are way better than Disney World.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hispanic Pundit has the right idea.  Unlike the federal government who can run trillions of dollars in debt, corporations do not have that luxury.  If they incur enough debt, their employees will not have to worry about health benefits and salary because the company will file for bankruptcy and they will be unemployed.</p>
<p>Disney&#8217;s hotels, theme parks and stores require a certain number of employees to keep it operating at a level that will keep customers satisfied.  Paying more money to give the same benefits to part-time employees as full-time employees means less money to hire more employees or worse, keep some employees on the payroll.</p>
<p>Government doesn&#8217;t really have to worry about debt, which is why part-time employees (whose paychecks are obviously smaller than those of their full-time colleagues) should be able to turn to the government for health insurance.  Unfortunately, some members of the working poor, for reasons only known to Congress, are not deemed poor enough to qualify for Medicaid or Medicare.</p>
<p>State-sponsored universal health care for those who cannot afford a private insurer is not a perfect solution for millions of uninsured Americans, but it&#8217;s a better and more realistic solution than using the law to force private companies to provide health benefits to its employees.</p>
<p>Besides, if the union cares so damn much about its low-wage workers, perhaps they shouldn&#8217;t make them pay union dues.   If the unions don&#8217;t know where in their budget to cut expenses to allow low-wage workers free union membership, perhaps they should look at the six-figure salaries of their highest ranking officers.  Most union bosses are paid very well, growing fat off the union dues of the working poor.  That&#8217;s worse than any allegation of &#8220;corporate greed&#8221; that I could ever think of.</p>
<p>Go ahead, boycott Disney.  Warner Bros. is funnier anyway and Six Flags theme parks are way better than Disney World.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing I can say to this is ... unbelievable.</description>
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		<title>By: jammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I find it funny that once the founding person , who has all kinds of idealistic goals(Disney, make everyone happy, Sam Walton affordable products for the masses and helping the community) dies, corporate greedy types take over and they screw the people and ideals.  The mantra becomes make money at all costs.  I haven&#039;t been to any of the Disney parks, hotels nor seen their movies in years .  Nor can you get me to shop at a Walmart   And do you know what? Life has been good.  Who needs them?  We should all boycott them.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it funny that once the founding person , who has all kinds of idealistic goals(Disney, make everyone happy, Sam Walton affordable products for the masses and helping the community) dies, corporate greedy types take over and they screw the people and ideals.  The mantra becomes make money at all costs.  I haven&#8217;t been to any of the Disney parks, hotels nor seen their movies in years .  Nor can you get me to shop at a Walmart   And do you know what? Life has been good.  Who needs them?  We should all boycott them.</p>
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