Comments on: Seneca: 2009 Summit of the Americas http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas Where La Raza comes to discuss its leaders, where you can learn about issues in Latino politics. Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:15:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Seneca on Obama Administration’s Latin Foreign Policy Woes http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/comment-page-1/#comment-57942 Seneca on Obama Administration’s Latin Foreign Policy Woes Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:21:45 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/#comment-57942 [...] Obama attended the Summit of the Americas meeting in the spring in Trinidad Tobago, he ran into unexpected or unscripted situations: is the [...] [...] Obama attended the Summit of the Americas meeting in the spring in Trinidad Tobago, he ran into unexpected or unscripted situations: is the [...]

]]> By: Michaelr http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/comment-page-1/#comment-32893 Michaelr Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:34:15 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/#comment-32893 All that advertised higher education that you claim to have. Do you even read what you write? All that advertised higher education that you claim to have. Do you even read what you write?

]]> By: india blanca http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/comment-page-1/#comment-32760 india blanca Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:00:21 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/#comment-32760 I definitely said that, Anna. I still stand by it. I definitely said that, Anna. I still stand by it.

]]> By: Anna http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/comment-page-1/#comment-32679 Anna Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:31:06 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/#comment-32679 This was not on par with a Japanese bow, which is mutual, and a sign of greeting. For the record, our President does not perform the Japanese bow either. Clinton almost did it once, but the protocol people stopped him. Our heads of state bow to nobody. What BO did was a deep, submissive bow, his left knee bent, his left hand on his left thigh. Who knows what he was thinking, but he looked like a subject bowing to his king, instead of a head of state greeting another head of state. French President Sarkozy is in the picture and he's laughing. Today he said that Obama "does not operate at the level of decision making." Sarkozy is an idiot, but don't tell me that BO's dumb bow did not help create that impression. Power matters and images of power/weakness matter. One more thing: I did read your post and you did say that you would rather have him bow to a saudi prince than torture people. This was not on par with a Japanese bow, which is mutual, and a sign of greeting. For the record, our President does not perform the Japanese bow either. Clinton almost did it once, but the protocol people stopped him. Our heads of state bow to nobody.

What BO did was a deep, submissive bow, his left knee bent, his left hand on his left thigh. Who knows what he was thinking, but he looked like a subject bowing to his king, instead of a head of state greeting another head of state.

French President Sarkozy is in the picture and he’s laughing. Today he said that Obama “does not operate at the level of decision making.” Sarkozy is an idiot, but don’t tell me that BO’s dumb bow did not help create that impression.

Power matters and images of power/weakness matter.

One more thing: I did read your post and you did say that you would rather have him bow to a saudi prince than torture people.

]]> By: india blanca http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/comment-page-1/#comment-32670 india blanca Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:03:49 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/#comment-32670 Anna I am glad even though it was hard for you... you read my post.... it might just show us that whether we agree or not with each other, if we try we can still talk to one another...I just wish you had really read what I said...I made no mention of the Hispanic Caucus so I am not sure if you have my post confused with someone else's...but let me assure I was taught from a very young age that all men are created equal...and fortunately for me I have never been exploited...though I have lived under dictatorships I was always taught my right to my self-worth and freedom to defend it...you see I had the opportunity to be born to a man of socioeconomic means and superb intellect...a man who dedicated his life to help improve the lives of others who were not quite as lucky....so you see it is dangerous to assume and speculate on things we know nothing about...as to your reference to "Obama wasn’t in Saudi Arabia when he bowed, he was in London, so he was not practicing some local custom" ...again you did not read what I said...which was that bowing is a form of greeting in some cultures...that has nothing to do with your geographic presence...allow me to take it out of the Obama scenario so that it is maybe easier for you to understand...you don’t have to be in Japan to bow when you say hello to a Japanese, it is simply a sign of respect for their traditions.... Anna
I am glad even though it was hard for you… you read my post…. it might just show us that whether we agree or not with each other, if we try we can still talk to one another…I just wish you had really read what I said…I made no mention of the Hispanic Caucus so I am not sure if you have my post confused with someone else’s…but let me assure I was taught from a very young age that all men are created equal…and fortunately for me I have never been exploited…though I have lived under dictatorships I was always taught my right to my self-worth and freedom to defend it…you see I had the opportunity to be born to a man of socioeconomic means and superb intellect…a man who dedicated his life to help improve the lives of others who were not quite as lucky….so you see it is dangerous to assume and speculate on things we know nothing about…as to your reference to “Obama wasn’t in Saudi Arabia when he bowed, he was in London, so he was not practicing some local custom” …again you did not read what I said…which was that bowing is a form of greeting in some cultures…that has nothing to do with your geographic presence…allow me to take it out of the Obama scenario so that it is maybe easier for you to understand…you don’t have to be in Japan to bow when you say hello to a Japanese, it is simply a sign of respect for their traditions….

]]> By: WhatThe.. http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/comment-page-1/#comment-32605 WhatThe.. Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:14:16 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/#comment-32605 From the look of the photo, I just thought Obama's contact lense fell out. From the look of the photo, I just thought Obama’s contact lense fell out.

]]> By: Reyfeo http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/comment-page-1/#comment-32595 Reyfeo Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:55:09 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/#comment-32595 I'm with Anna...the fact the rest of you are okay with bowing to "anyone" is insane to me...and IF you think Americans (of any origin) don't care that he did that, your sadly mistaken...some of my most liberal friends were completely disappointed at this. Its un-American! I’m with Anna…the fact the rest of you are okay with bowing to “anyone” is insane to me…and IF you think Americans (of any origin) don’t care that he did that, your sadly mistaken…some of my most liberal friends were completely disappointed at this. Its un-American!

]]> By: Anna http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/comment-page-1/#comment-32577 Anna Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:05:40 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/#comment-32577 I have to say that I could hardly read your post. Re: "I much rather see him bow to a Saudi prince that allow us to torture human beings… That's a false choice. Neither one should happen. If you think it's OK for our President, or anybody, to bow in submission to a dictator, then you aren't free. You have an inferiority complex, and I feel sorry for you. Nobody taught you that all men are created equal. Furthermore, nobody can exploit you unless you have the mindset that allows it. You can complain about the Hispanic Caucus all you want, but that's not the root of the problem. They're just a symptom of the problem. I'm not trying to be mean, but your post revealed a lot. As for your other points-- Obama wasn't in Saudi Arabia when he bowed, he was in London, so he was not practicing some local custom. (And that still would not have made it right.) Furthermore, nobody bows to the King of Saudi Arabia because they think that men should only bow to God. The King did not return the bow. BO sent a message of weakness with that bow to every leader in the world. Next time BO travels I hope he stands up straight. If he can't manage that, he should send Biden. I have to say that I could hardly read your post.

Re: “I much rather see him bow to a Saudi prince that allow us to torture human beings…

That’s a false choice. Neither one should happen. If you think it’s OK for our President, or anybody, to bow in submission to a dictator, then you aren’t free. You have an inferiority complex, and I feel sorry for you. Nobody taught you that all men are created equal. Furthermore, nobody can exploit you unless you have the mindset that allows it. You can complain about the Hispanic Caucus all you want, but that’s not the root of the problem. They’re just a symptom of the problem. I’m not trying to be mean, but your post revealed a lot.

As for your other points–

Obama wasn’t in Saudi Arabia when he bowed, he was in London, so he was not practicing some local custom. (And that still would not have made it right.) Furthermore, nobody bows to the King of Saudi Arabia because they think that men should only bow to God. The King did not return the bow. BO sent a message of weakness with that bow to every leader in the world.

Next time BO travels I hope he stands up straight. If he can’t manage that, he should send Biden.

]]> By: india blanca http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/comment-page-1/#comment-32533 india blanca Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:30:53 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/#comment-32533 Bowing is a form of greeting in some cultures...just like shaking hand....kissing either cheek...or embracing....when one visits foreign countries one must take into account their traditions....it is not arrogance that will keep us mighty and our world a safe place to live for generations to come...President Obama is a breath of fresh air....a great example...teaching us to be mindful of others and their traditions...I much rather see him bow to a Saudi prince that allow us to torture human beings....that should be against our nature....lets concentrate on substance instead of minutia...Pres Obama had a successful trip to Europe and beyond...he was received with open arms...unfortunately it was not as fruitful as we would have hoped but it was a great leap forward for our beloved nation...we need to understand that power is not thumbing our nose at others but getting them to join us in the endeavors we deem to be in our interest. Bowing is a form of greeting in some cultures…just like shaking hand….kissing either cheek…or embracing….when one visits foreign countries one must take into account their traditions….it is not arrogance that will keep us mighty and our world a safe place to live for generations to come…President Obama is a breath of fresh air….a great example…teaching us to be mindful of others and their traditions…I much rather see him bow to a Saudi prince that allow us to torture human beings….that should be against our nature….lets concentrate on substance instead of minutia…Pres Obama had a successful trip to Europe and beyond…he was received with open arms…unfortunately it was not as fruitful as we would have hoped but it was a great leap forward for our beloved nation…we need to understand that power is not thumbing our nose at others but getting them to join us in the endeavors we deem to be in our interest.

]]> By: Anna http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/comment-page-1/#comment-32525 Anna Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:10:55 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/04/12/seneca-2009-summit-of-the-americas/#comment-32525 LOL Nice try. Sorry, if I don't get riled up over minutiae. Chrstmas cards, a bottle of wine, going out to dinner. All of that is trivial and none of it is against the law. There are people stealing trillions of dollars. Get angry over that. And it's not in my nature to bow like a serf. LOL Nice try.

Sorry, if I don’t get riled up over minutiae. Chrstmas cards, a bottle of wine, going out to dinner. All of that is trivial and none of it is against the law. There are people stealing trillions of dollars. Get angry over that.

And it’s not in my nature to bow like a serf.

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