Update on Luis Ramirez Case — Teens involved only convicted of simple assault

May 3rd, 2009 · 39 Comments

Back in July, we blogged about the beating death of Luis Ramirez in the Shenandoah region of Pennsylvania. Many wondered if this would be a rallying cry for Latino politicians to come out swift against these racially motivated attacks. MALDEF even jumped in the fray adding comments to the original blog post, assuring us of their involvement, as some bloggers expressed concern about the organization’s ability to advocate on behalf of the victim in the case.

Yesterday, the AP reported this:

“POTTSVILLE, Pa. (AP) — An all-white jury on Friday acquitted two Pennsylvania teenagers of all serious charges against them stemming from the fatal beating of an illegal Mexican immigrant last summer.

Brandon Piekarsky, 17, was acquitted of third-degree murder and ethnic intimidation, while Derrick Donchak, 19, was acquitted of aggravated assault and ethnic intimidation. Both were convicted of simple assault.”

And on Friday, after the jury verdict came in, MALDEF (note the corporate sponsor under the signage) released the following press release:



May 1, 2009


Latino hate crime trial ends with ‘not guilty’ verdict

POTTSVILLE, PA –  A jury in Schuylkill County found the two
defendants, Brandon Piekarsky and Derrick Donchak, accused of beating
25-year-old Luis Ramirez to death, not guilty.

“Tonight there is no justice in Shenandoah, Pennsylvania.  The jury’s
conclusion is an outrage.  Luis Ramirez was brutally murdered.
Witnesses testified that it was racially motivated as a result of hate
and intolerance.  In the week when Congress passed the Hate Crimes
Act, this verdict underscores the importance of the passage of this
Act.  It is time for the Department of Justice to step in and bring
justice to the Ramirez family and send a strong message that violence
targeting immigrants will not be tolerated and will be prosecuted to
the full extent of the law,” stated Henry Solano, MALDEF interim
president and general counsel.

In July 2008, Ramirez lost his life after he was knocked unconscious
and kicked in the head by a group of Shenandoah teenagers who yelled
racial epithets before and during the brutal beating. Witnesses
overheard anti-Mexican and ethnic epithets shouted by his
assailants.   At trial one of the witnesses testified that one of
Ramirez’s friends tried to stop the beating but one of the assailants
said, “Tell your Mexican friends to get out of town, or you’ll be
laying next to him.”   Ramirez leaves behind his fiancée and their two
young children.

Brandon Piekarsky was charged with third-degree murder and Derrick
Donchak was charged with aggravated assault. Both were charged with
ethnic intimidation.

“Luis’s death reflects a steady increase of hate crimes targeting
Latinos. Since 2002, the FBI has documented a 40 percent increase in
hate crimes committed against Latinos,” said Gladys Limón, MALDEF
staff attorney.  “This drastic rise of hate crimes against Latinos
must be addressed by the new Administration and Congress.”

Earlier this week, the U.S. House of Representatives took a historic
step forward and passed H.R. 1913, “Local Law Enforcement Hate Crime
Prevention Act” by a vote of 249 to 175.  The bill strengthens
existing federal hate crime laws by authorizing the Department of
Justice to assist local authorities in investigating and prosecuting
certain bias-motivated crimes.  MALDEF urges the Senate to act quickly
and pass the bill.

MALDEF will continue to work with the Ramirez family and the U.S.
Department of Justice to ensure that the actions of the defendants and
the death of Luis Ramirez is fully investigate as a hate crime.


Now as I have read about this case, the victim certainly wasn’t free of his own issues. It was revealed that he had an underage girlfriend in addition to the fiancee Crystal Dillman, and there were allegations of drug use on his end. However, I still cannot believe that the perpetrators were convicted of simple assault and nothing more. I think that this won’t do anything to ease the already high tensions in this small town. I do agree with MALDEF that justice was not served, but what do you think? I encourage you to share your thoughts in this blog post.

If you want to learn more about this trial, you can read a live blog from The Republican Herald. My colleague Megan, who works for The Republican Herald, was kind enough to send me the link.

Photo Credit: MALDEF Los Angeles Offices lobby sign, Wendy Carrillo

Tags: Crime · Immigration · MALDEF · racism

39 responses so far ↓

  • 1 El Cholo // May 3, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Michaelr was right when he labeled MALDEF as an incompetent self-serving organization. Now the question arises whether residents in Pottsville, PA are all racists, or rather Anheuser-Busch provided such an abundance of free alcoholic beverages that MALDEF’s consultation meetings with the prosecutors only produced a drunken haphazard legal strategy. Whatever the case, Luis Ramirez is dead as a result of these beatings from these white kids, and there is no justice here in America.

  • 2 stephen // May 4, 2009 at 12:29 am

    First, my condolences to the family. I am generally opposed to hate crimes. According to this report the death looks like the result of a street fight gone bad.
    Were their racial epitaphs said? No doubt, but not unusual in a street fight. Did the white kids start the fight? Probably, but Ramirez also was a party to the fight. Ramirez got punched in the head and he fell and hit his head on the concrete. The kick to the head was unnecessary, though. The kid who hit Ramirez first (Walsh) will be serving 4-9 years on federal charges and the kid who kicked Ramirez in the head (Donchak?) will serve 2-5 years. This seems about right for all the stupid machismo they kids were a part of. Why this is not manslaughter if they are indeed convicted of the assault crimes, though, is a mystery to me. Actually, not that mysterious.

  • 3 Josie // May 4, 2009 at 8:01 am

    O.J. Simson, stalked and brutally murdered, white ex-wife Nicole Brown Simpson. Ron Goldman was at the wrong place, at the wrong time. O.J.’s brutal blood thirsty attack, was so brutal that he came close to cutting Nicole’s head off. O.J. mutilated her breasts and slashed her to death. Ron Goldman was dropping off Nicole’s sunglasses, when he came upon the slaughter. O.J. brutally stabbed poor innocent Ron Goldman to death, stabbing him multiple times.

    An ALL BLACK JURY set O.J. free. Majority of black citizens, all across the U.S. applauded and cheered the brutal slayings of two white innocent murder victims.

    “Jena 6″ were 6 RACIST BLACK THUGS who brutally attacked a white kid, from behind. They approached the white kid from behind, knocked him out cold. While he remained on the ground, knocked out, they stomped and kicked him in the head. The only thing, that stopped them from murdering him, was the intervention of a teacher. None of the “Jena 6″ racist black thugs, were charged with a hate crime. 10,000 black citizens marched in praise of the assault on the white kid.

    I could present you with tens of thousands of brutal hate crimes committed against whites, by so-called people of color. They never get charged with a hate crime and they always get to excuse their brutality, with so-called racism.

    It is open season on white people, every day. You know it. The world knows it. We are not going to take it, anymore.

    20,000,000 ILLEGAL MEXICAN ALIENS in our country, breaking our laws. The punishment is DEPORTATION. Obviously, they are not being punished. They are like all the rest of RACIST so-called people of color. They try to excuse their crimes, with so-called racism.

    Continue to spew your lies and propaganda, about the poor innocent people of color. We know, who the true racist bigots are. Those who promote hatred, against white people.

    What is so hilarious, is most hispanics look white and are white. But, they still call themselves people of color, because it gives them SPECIAL PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT and PROTECTION.

  • 4 Michaelr // May 4, 2009 at 8:39 am

    Looks like Anheuser-Busch’s MALDEF failed again to protect the rights of another victim of hate. Maybe they should outsource this type of work to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the NAACP, the Urban League, the Rainbow Coalition, or Reverend Al Sharpton.

  • 5 Anna // May 4, 2009 at 9:40 am

    Stephen: Ramirez isn’t here to give his side of the story. People are repeating what these killers say, as though it were fact.

    These kids beat Ramirez to death. That fact is not in dispute. That the prosecutor could give the jury the option of calling it ‘simple assault’ smacks of corruption.

    Furthermore, this nonsense that it was just a “street fight gone wrong,” also diminishes the fact that these boys beat a man to death. According to the witness, Ramirez was minding his own business when these drunk boys attacked him. It was five to one.

    Will the Justice Department file civil rights charges? That is a test for Obama. Let’s see if he passes.

    Michaelr: How is this MALDEF’s fault? I didn’t know they were in charge of the legal system in Shenandoah, Pennsylvania.

    You’re nuts. Seek help.

  • 6 webmaster // May 4, 2009 at 9:54 am

    Josie: “An ALL BLACK JURY set O.J. free. ”

    This isn’t true. The ethnic composition of the OJ jury was 9 black, 1 Hispanic, and 2 whites.

    Nobody here is promoting hatred against white people. There is none of that in this blog post. So I don’t know where you are getting at that notion.

  • 7 Michaelr // May 4, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Take your medication Anna. Anheuser-Busch’s MALDEF consulted with the prosecution.

  • 8 BettyM // May 4, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Justice was not served. We need to teach people to get along with one another…

  • 9 stephen // May 4, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    Anna… just because Ramirez isn’t here doesn’t mean we can infer what we want to. From what i read Ramirez was with a girl and the white kids talked smack. Ramirez talked back and called friends for “back up”. From what I understand the white kids didn’t have to chase Ramirez down, Ramirez stood his ground against the 5 kids, apparently emboldened by his buddies who were on the way. Words were exchanged and Ramirez got hit on the side of the head. He fell down and hit his head on the concrete, then one of the white kids kicked him in the head. A combination or one of the hits (fist, ground, foot) killed him. This wasn’t a lynching or they didn’t relentlessly beat him to a pulp. It was a fight. A stupid fight between stupid testosterone ridden young men.

    Were racial epithets spoken? I’m sure, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a fight were insults were not thrown.

    One of the persons involved will serve a federal crime for 4-9 years and the other 2-5 years. As I said, I don’t understand if there was a simple assault in which a person died, why that isn’t manslaughter, since thats the definition of manslaughter. My guess is (without having read the transcripts) that the DA couldn’t prove which actual hit caused the death, the fist, the concrete or the kick. My guess is once Ramirez was kicked he was already dead from the hit to the concrete. Or at least that’s probably what the defendant argued.

    Would this have been different if the roles were different? Maybe in that county, maybe not. Plenty of examples of both. Is this a tragic event? Of course. I wish idiots would stop getting in fights for no reason.

  • 10 stephen // May 4, 2009 at 3:06 pm

    …and if anyone here wants to float the cash to support MALDEF’s mission, please go right ahead. Until then, don’t disparage those who have.

  • 11 Miss Karma // May 4, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    Oh Please ,
    if this had been drunken black or latino teens beating up on a white man, they would have been locked up for life and/or sent straight to death row

    I am so sick and tired of the bogus,
    brain-dead, pathetic double standards as it relates to perp and victim. When the victim is Black or Latino and the perp is White, there is ALWAYS this notion that he/she had to have been guilty of something: in the 50 shots case it was Bell ‘s previously history as a drug dealer, in the death of Anthony Baez it was his asthma that killed him and not the illegal chokehold used by rogue cop Francis Livoti and and so forth. In the warped minds of ignoramuses, White men and their kids can never do wrong unless provoked or mentally disturbed.

    Ramirez’s immigration status and cheating is a bunch of who shot john. All this stuff about Ramirez having a girlfriend on the side is an issue for HIS FIANCEE and not the courts. As far as his immigration status is concerned, those thugs weren’t asking for green cards were they? They were also UNDERAGE AND DRUNK.
    BTW it was a former Philadelphia Police officer who said that those thugs did hurl racial slurs at Ramirez so does anyone still want to ask if this was a racially motivated attack?
    Man’s law brings justice some of the time, but God’s law brings justice all the time. I hope the mother of his children sue the boxers, briefs and bikinis off of their parents.

  • 12 Anna // May 4, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Re: “MALDEF consulted with the prosecution.”

    I don’t know of that’s true, but if it is, so what ? Neither MALDEF nor any other group has control over a prosecutor or a jury. What planet are you on…

  • 13 Anna // May 4, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Stephen, you aren’t inferring anything. You’re repeating the events as told by the killers. Their defense attorney tried to make it seem like Ramirez was not a victim, but a willing participant in a “street- fight gone wrong.” Whta a load of BS. According to witnesses, Ramirez was minding his own business when he was atrtacked by group of drunken losers looking for a fight. He didn’t call for “backup.” He called his friends to pick him up and get him out of there. I saw the people he called on TV giving an interview. They were a middle aged couple.

    Beating somebody who is minding his own business until his brains ooze out of his cracked skull is not a fight gone wrong, or ‘simple assault.’ It’s murder.

  • 14 Anna // May 4, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    Miss Karma, I agree with you. The excuses they come up with to justify this behavior, even in 2009, is outrageous. But unfortunately, it doesn’t surprise me.

  • 15 DelToro // May 4, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    We are just keeping this isolated to this case right? Because if I put every link of minorities beating on white people and having it go unprosecuted or light sentence I could fill the damn page.

  • 16 theKaiser // May 4, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    Anheuser-Busch’s MALDEF…what supposed non-profit organization exclusively identifies itself with a corporate sponsor? The NAACP, the Southern Poverty Law Center, or the Urban League doesn’t publicly connect themselves with specific corporate sponsors. That would easily deviate from their so-called public mission. Anheuser-Busch’s MALDEF, and their approach to solving the legal dilemmas of the Latino community is resembling more and more the approach the Congressional Hispanic Caucus has towards creating legislation that protects the Latino community. For those of us who don’t like to bury our heads in the sand and live in complete denial, this is getting quite old. Being proud of organizations with alternative purposes is so inept. Is this cultural?

  • 17 El Cholo // May 4, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    I wonder how Anheuser Busch’s MALDEF is celebrating Cinco de Mayo? Will all the alcohol be gratis?

  • 18 stephen // May 4, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    Anna, I am not inferring anything. I am going off what has been reported as testimony and summary testimony I’ve found online. You are making assumptions. Luis’ own girlfriend testified that Ramirez took off his shirt and jewelry to fight. His girlfriend told him to stop fighting and he did not. This is the testimony. Does this sound like a guy running away from a band of wild hooligans? The drunk guys were rudely talking to his girlfriend and Ramirez got offended. There is testimony from both sides that there were several episodes where the two parties fought and then backed off, only to engage once again. You are misrepresenting the facts. Again, this looks like a crappy fight gone bad, not a band of roving racists looking to kill or even beat up a Mexican. I feel sorry for everyone involved. Lots of bad judgment made by all parties.

  • 19 Stef // May 5, 2009 at 6:25 am

    After waiting many months for this case to finally get to trial, the verdict is at best ridiculous. Hopefully, federal charges can be brought and Luis’ family can have some hope for justice. Anyone who thinks race based hate isn’t alive and well in the United States is not functioning at the brain stem level.

    The people of Shenandoah, who somehow justified this murder, should be ashamed of themselves. The parents of these “people” should look long and hard at themselves – because children do learn what they live. These young men did not learn overnight, how to hate someone so much; they deserved to be beaten without mercy and left to die.

    Parents, take a look in the mirror, your children have gotten away with the murder of a human being, a mother’s son, a child’s father, a friend, a husband and a child of God. I am certain you consider your sons to be children of God. I pray that if your son’s are someday blessed with children, the cycle of hatred has ended with their murder of Luis Ramirez.

    The memory of the last look on Luis’ face, just before he realized he was going to die and his plea for mercy on his life, should haunt these young men and the people of Shenandoah for eternity. The verdict in this case should haunt all of us and cause us to examine our humanity. Luis’ death serves as nothing good and everything evil, yet if anything can be learned – hopefully it includes teaching love and tolerance toward all people.

  • 20 Stef // May 5, 2009 at 6:42 am

    Thank you Anna – agree w/ your thought – that Luis isn’t here to give his side of the story.

  • 21 DelToro // May 5, 2009 at 7:40 am

    Unfortunately Stephen that doesn’t fit the victim role that is being played here. It is much easier if Ramirez is just a poor Mexican guy being targeted by whites. It allows everyone to feel justified in getting their racist-on. Which is on display here everyday. HYPOCRISY SQUARED.

  • 22 Anna // May 5, 2009 at 10:40 am

    Re: “Again, this looks like a crappy fight gone bad, not a band of roving racists looking to kill or even beat up a Mexican.”

    Stephen, why did these drunk kids approach Ramirez in the first place? According to the testimony, they had never met him, and he was minding his own business.

    Secondly, they yelled racial epithets during and after the fight. A retired policewoman who lives across the street heard the boys scream go back to Mexico, and heard them threaten the girl he was with that if her Mexican friends didn’t get out of town that she would be lying next to Ramirez.

    A street fight gone wrong when somebody gets his nose broken. When somebody dies it’s murder.

    Only a person who sees Ramirez as subhuman can justify this as simple assault.

  • 23 stephen // May 5, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Anna, you are ignoring the facts of the case. The drunk kids didn’t approach Ramirez, they approached his girlfriend. Ramirez was offended by this and words were exchanged. Ramirez prepared to fight. There were multiple scuffles of which the last was when he was knocked down and hit his head on the concrete. The prosecution could not prove who kicked him. One of the witnesses said she remembers a blue and red shoe and the defendants were not wearing shoes with that color.

    Racial epithets during a fight mean nothing. Have you ever seen a fight between testosterone laden young men? Calling someone a racial slur, calling their mother all kinds of things, etc. are quite common. It doesn’t mean these kids were looking to kill a Mexican.

    Maybe you are the one blurred by race. It is sad that Ramirez is gone. The guys who did this were stupid and deserve punishment. But this was certainly not murder. If the prosecution were able to pin point who kicked him or if the pathologists were able to determine what killed him then manslaughter would have been appropriate. I think it should be given what I’ve read, but its not all that clear from the testimony that I’ve read.

    Looking at things from a racial perspective isn’t something only racist whites do and judging by your assumptions and willingness to believe all of one side and none of the other its pretty obvious we are all susceptible.
    I really can’t believe you’ve never seen a bar fight or drunk guys get it on. Its stupid and ridiculous and people can get seriously hurt. In this case, someone did. Its sad.

  • 24 juancarlos // May 5, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    I might be out of tree on this one, but couldnt the family file a “Denuncia” or “Denuncia en forma de querella” in the Spanish or Mexican Courts. I know Spain asserts universal jurisdiction on many cases, including murder, and other rights violations, not just “crimes against humanity.” Mexico on the other hand does as well concerning the Mexican nationals… but not that widely used in Spain. But I know Spain might take the private prosecution case under the Red Juridica Iberoamericana standard (think Hispanic version of the Commonwealth of Nations) The Spanish courts always tend to be the Plan B courts when other domestic or international courts fail, especially in IberoAmerica and Garzon tends to take these cases when he isn’t trying to go after the Bush Administration. Has anyone informed the family of presenting charges in Spanish or Mexican Courts or both?

  • 25 Miss Karma // May 5, 2009 at 4:17 pm

    The fights that I USED TO BREAK UP (and not just female fights which are a lot harder to quash) the only times I heard the racial slurs, were towards ME since I was the only Black bouncer- I heard j—-boo far more often than the b word, and like the old saying goes the truth always comes out in alcohol. It doesn’t matter who they approached first, their first crime was the drinking (of their own choice) excuses after that and . Contrary to popular belief, Blacks and Latinos get up in the A.M. just like everybody else: We wake up the spouse, get the kids up, get breakfast ready, etc. We don’t think about skin color until we’re REMINDED OF IT everytime something like this happens. Thus far the victims have been PERCEIVED as immigrants based on guess what? LOOKS. Google Jordan Gruver and perhaps you’ll catch my drift. If Russian, Polish,and German immigrants were getting assaulted at the same rate as Latino, African, Arab immigrants and U.S. citizens of color, then you would have a point, but of course that’s not the case because you can’t camaflouge skin color the way you can hair and eyes. You don’t need to play a race card when the whole deck’s been spread out on the table to be seen.

  • 26 Miss Karma // May 5, 2009 at 4:18 pm

    del toro- You can fill up this page with “minorities” getting away with beating up whites? The cases of whites getting away with murdering people of color in this country, would fill every library on this entire planet and cause Google, Yahoo, Exicte Twitter, MySpace, and everybody’s space on Microsoft to crash.

    Juan Carlos you provide an interesting point. After all, since many have been biatching and moaning about Ramirez’s immigration status and if found guilty, they could serve time in the Mexican prison. Unfortunately that wouldn’t happen. We’ll have to wait on God’s law for this one.

  • 27 DelToro // May 5, 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Miss Karma,

    I knew I could get it out of you. Thank you for showing your true colors.

  • 28 DelToro // May 5, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    “Man bites dog” huh?

  • 29 Anna // May 5, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    Re: “If the prosecution were able to pin point who kicked him or if the pathologists were able to determine what killed him then manslaughter would have been appropriate.”

    Pathologists: Punch, kick killed Ramirez

    Published: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:15 AM EDT

    As life seeped away from Luis Eduardo Ramirez Zavala, his body showed the loss, a forensic pathologist testified Wednesday at the Schuylkill County Courthouse at the trial of two teenagers in connection with his fatal beating in July 2008 in Shenandoah.

    “The brain tissue started to ooze out. The brain is dying,” said Dr. Barbara K. Bollinger, who performed the autopsy on Ramirez on July 15, the day after he died from injuries inflicted during the beating. “The cause of death is blunt force trauma to the head. The manner of death is homicide…

    Prosecutors concluded their case Wednesday with five medical witnesses, three pathologists and two paramedics, telling jurors about Ramirez’s injuries. They also called another teen who was at the scene of the beating who testified that Donchak used at least one ethnic slur toward Ramirez and who testified Piekarsky admitted kicking him.

    Nationally renowned pathologist Dr. Isidore Mihalakis, Phillipsburg, N.J., said both of Ramirez’s most serious injuries — fractures to his occipital and left parietal bones in his skull — combined to kill him. Prosecutors have alleged Piekarsky kicked Ramirez in the left side of his head, fracturing the left parietal bone, after his friend Colin J. Walsh punched Ramirez in the face, causing him to fall backward and fracture the occipital bone at the back of his head.

    “The combined effects from these injuries caused bruising, swelling, herniation … brain death and then body death,” said Mihalakis, who said he has performed about 9,000 autopsies in his career.

  • 30 El Cholo // May 5, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Welcome to the discussion Miss Karma…your words are refreshing and very matter of fact.

  • 31 Miss Karma // May 6, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    El Cholo, thank you for creating this blog.

    …and while I’m thanking people, thank you Del toro for showing YOUR true colors by citing the very “reliable” National Policy Institute.
    The same NPI whose sole function is to implant paranoia, fear and hysteria into mind and souls of White folks. The same NPI that’s outraged over the creation of a Caesar Chavez holiday (a possible day off of work?) and plays the race card on Affirmative Action (white women have benefitted more than anyone else) and immigration while remaining silent on the mishaps on Wall Street and corporate job outsourcing.

    BTW with regard to this incident only, what was the verdict? Did the perps enter a plea deal? Oh that’s right they’ve only been accused and are charged with (drum roll) ETHNIC INTIMIDATION which is under Ohio’s HATE CRIME STATUTE. The death of Ramirez didn’t get too much coverage where I live nor did I hear about the beating of Jordan Gruver until an Oneida friend of mine told me about it so no, this is not even a man bites dog situation.

    So, when are you taking a trip up to Cleveland to head up rallies of people of ALL colors and creeds to demand an end to this horror (which it absolutely is and it is also a downright insult to real symbolism of May 1 ), and demand stiffer penalties for 8-13 year olds who engage in such acts? Shh–I don’t think the NPI would be too pleased if you engaged people of all colors and creeds because they’re only concerned with the “crises” in the White community–none of which includes INTRAracial violence and drug abuse.
    Again, I thank YOU for showing me and the blog your true colors—and the color of your sheets as well.

  • 32 Bearguez // May 6, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    The National Policy Institute says a lot about DelToro, and his skinhead mentality. You can’t get any further to the extreme right when you quote racist analysis by the National Policy Institute.

  • 33 Bearguez // May 6, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    By the way Miss Karma…El Cholo didn’t write this blog…the Webmaster did. But thanks anyway.

  • 34 Vanessa // May 7, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    I get sick to my stomach when i read this type of things. I cant belive that there are people out there who are inescrupulous and care less about other human beings, because regardless of your ethnic background, sex, level of inteligence, age or simply your physical feautures we are all human being. Therefore we shouldn’t jusge one another, since we can’t choose none of this traits we’re just simply born with them. In the other hand, your personallity and your actions can be choosen you DECIDE whats best. These teenagers knew right from wrong and what they did was cruel, sick, and intensionally done. This is their family’s fault for teaching these kids to hate! For not showing them the human part of life for not teaching them values and for condoning this behaivor. They committed the crime so they must committ to the consecuences of their actions.

    Couple of years ago, in Louise Radloff MS, GA. We had a very unexpected guest. He was a man who had been in jail for 2 years and had 5 more years to go. He was in jail for drunk driving. While driving intoxicated he crashed into a car. Inside that car they’re were 2 elders who died instantly in the impact.

    This young man is spending 7 yrs in prison, for a mistake he made while intoxicated. He was a good man he just was not in full control of his body. He was a freshman in college looking forward to his life. But this one mistake shrunk his whole life.

    In the other hand this five individuals were concious of their actions. They knew what they were doing and decided to carry this on. They cruely planned it. They enjoyed killing this man. They KILLED this man. And they’re convicted of simple assault. Something that added to this was that the case encountered an all-white/caucasian jury, which added salt to the wound.

    My condolences to the family of Luis Ramirez.

  • 35 deltoro // May 7, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Yeah Bearguez,

    And they made that story up. Keep living in your all brown world and nothing will change.

  • 36 Bearguez // May 7, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    I’m not brown. I’m just like you…a WASP. Except I don’t have any swastika tattoos, or a shaved head, and I don’t regurgitate FOX news, Lou Dobbs, or Rush Limbaugh online.

  • 37 Anna // May 7, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    I wish the webmaster would clean up around here. Take out the trailer trash.

  • 38 DelToro // May 8, 2009 at 10:46 am

    I appologize beargoggles. However, I am not white. Just tired of the excuses that if you are not white it is o.k. to be a racist. Your Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and Dobbs line is old and tired. It is the final gasp of people like you who ignore the truth. Keep going with it though. Your CNN, MALDEF, Keith Olberman, Bill Maher, La Raza, ABC World shtick is working very well.

    Oh yeah…I forgot Ganine Garofalo.

  • 39 WhatThe.. // Jun 6, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    The nature of wars in relation to human nature are always fought on three principles: 1. Race, 2. Religion and 3. Resources. These can work solely or in conjunction with each others. Our primordial response by nature is survival, quite rudimentary.

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