Comments on: The Other Visceral Reaction when “illegal immigrants” are mentioned http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/09/10/the-other-visceral-reaction-when-%e2%80%9cillegal-immigrants%e2%80%9d-are-mentioned/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-other-visceral-reaction-when-%25e2%2580%259cillegal-immigrants%25e2%2580%259d-are-mentioned Where La Raza comes to discuss its leaders, where you can learn about issues in Latino politics. Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:15:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Estrella http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/09/10/the-other-visceral-reaction-when-%e2%80%9cillegal-immigrants%e2%80%9d-are-mentioned/comment-page-1/#comment-51892 Estrella Tue, 22 Sep 2009 23:46:22 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=666#comment-51892 I'm Mexican, here in the states with a green card, and the other day I was discussing with a friend who's studying college here that either of us had thought of race terms before we came here. When you first meet someone they ask you "What are you?" i really didn't understood at first now I know what they mean. I don't know what's with the need of labeling people here. In my opinion any kind of label sounds wrong and obviously one that includes a strong bad sounding word like illegal is even worst. I’m Mexican, here in the states with a green card, and the other day I was discussing with a friend who’s studying college here that either of us had thought of race terms before we came here. When you first meet someone they ask you “What are you?” i really didn’t understood at first now I know what they mean. I don’t know what’s with the need of labeling people here. In my opinion any kind of label sounds wrong and obviously one that includes a strong bad sounding word like illegal is even worst.

]]> By: Reyfeo http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/09/10/the-other-visceral-reaction-when-%e2%80%9cillegal-immigrants%e2%80%9d-are-mentioned/comment-page-1/#comment-51731 Reyfeo Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:55:11 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=666#comment-51731 I disagree manny s...I accept there are difficulties in trying to find a middle ground, especially if "when a US citizen is having his mother deported while he waits for her to pick him up outside the school"...these are and need to be issue we find some middle ground on. Also, I am not a proponent of mistreating/disrespecting illegals (I don’t think anyone on my end is either). It’s wrong for you to assume that’s what I'm encouraging. In fact I think we need to improve our process to ensure humane treatment. But they do need to be deported and or made to come here legally. Also, as an American I have legal recourses to help fight any "disrespect" they might throw my way manny s...I don't have to worry about what happens to illegal Chinese, Mexicans and or any other countryman that comes here illegally to know I have rights here to counter any racial mistreatment. And if needed I will engage in civil rights movements to improve my and or any other Americans rights to live a better “American” life, but not for Mexicans, Chinese and or any other people here illegally. You say "the latino condition is not something that can be separated by legalities"...what would you say is the solution? Let everyone come here and stay? Open borders for everybody or just the Mexicans since you can relate to them? People like you like to point but never at the solution. I think the problem is you refuse to see yourself for who you are an American first, of Latino culture second. Why you insist we apologize for being Americans is beyond me. And remember, its not divide and conquer if they are “illegal” immigrants and you are an American…you have a right to be here, they don’t...and try not to mix civil rights issue for “Americans” with immigration issues for other country men, they are not the same. I disagree manny s…I accept there are difficulties in trying to find a middle ground, especially if “when a US citizen is having his mother deported while he waits for her to pick him up outside the school”…these are and need to be issue we find some middle ground on.

Also, I am not a proponent of mistreating/disrespecting illegals (I don’t think anyone on my end is either). It’s wrong for you to assume that’s what I’m encouraging. In fact I think we need to improve our process to ensure humane treatment. But they do need to be deported and or made to come here legally.

Also, as an American I have legal recourses to help fight any “disrespect” they might throw my way manny s…I don’t have to worry about what happens to illegal Chinese, Mexicans and or any other countryman that comes here illegally to know I have rights here to counter any racial mistreatment. And if needed I will engage in civil rights movements to improve my and or any other Americans rights to live a better “American” life, but not for Mexicans, Chinese and or any other people here illegally.

You say “the latino condition is not something that can be separated by legalities”…what would you say is the solution? Let everyone come here and stay? Open borders for everybody or just the Mexicans since you can relate to them? People like you like to point but never at the solution. I think the problem is you refuse to see yourself for who you are an American first, of Latino culture second. Why you insist we apologize for being Americans is beyond me.

And remember, its not divide and conquer if they are “illegal” immigrants and you are an American…you have a right to be here, they don’t…and try not to mix civil rights issue for “Americans” with immigration issues for other country men, they are not the same.

]]> By: manny s http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/09/10/the-other-visceral-reaction-when-%e2%80%9cillegal-immigrants%e2%80%9d-are-mentioned/comment-page-1/#comment-51680 manny s Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:22:12 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=666#comment-51680 Reyfeo because the latino condition is not something that can be separated by legalities. I think that guys that think like you are the problem, it is great for the status quo when they divide and conquer. You stand on the other end and you DON’T get it. If they disrespect an undocumented then they will easily disrespect you, I know you don’t think so and I pray that the all mighty lets you live with your illusion. One of my bosses said to me a long time ago ‘ look at those dumb wetbacks’ when I gave him the ‘what?’ look he said ‘ oh they are not like you, your so well spoken, I know that there is a difference’….WTF …no I don’t think he does. I think they see us as one and the same but with varying degrees of cleanliness. Reyfeo because the latino condition is not something that can be separated by legalities. I think that guys that think like you are the problem, it is great for the status quo when they divide and conquer. You stand on the other end and you DON’T get it. If they disrespect an undocumented then they will easily disrespect you, I know you don’t think so and I pray that the all mighty lets you live with your illusion. One of my bosses said to me a long time ago ‘ look at those dumb wetbacks’ when I gave him the ‘what?’ look he said ‘ oh they are not like you, your so well spoken, I know that there is a difference’….WTF …no I don’t think he does. I think they see us as one and the same but with varying degrees of cleanliness.

]]> By: manny s http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/09/10/the-other-visceral-reaction-when-%e2%80%9cillegal-immigrants%e2%80%9d-are-mentioned/comment-page-1/#comment-51679 manny s Mon, 21 Sep 2009 19:21:12 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=666#comment-51679 Their problem is my problem when a US citizen is having his mother deported while he waits for her to pick him up outside the school that makes it my problem, because we voted in the people who would do that and because we don’t educate enough people such as yourself. We cant be that dumb,,, to separate ourselves,,, oh mira yo soy Americano y tu no….. Reyfeo do you really think that when they wrote the constitution that they were talking about you and how they were going to protect your Americano rights. You got them by default because someone did what you do not and that is that they stood up to have latinos included. Y ahora eres todo amercano!!! yeehaw You should read up on the 14th amendment and how they tried to excluded Mexicans born in America, how they did not qualify to be American citizens, someone stood up for your forefathers and now you can say, its not my problem, its theirs they’re the ones who are illegal. Their problem is my problem when a US citizen is having his mother deported while he waits for her to pick him up outside the school that makes it my problem, because we voted in the people who would do that and because we don’t educate enough people such as yourself. We cant be that dumb,,, to separate ourselves,,, oh mira yo soy Americano y tu no….. Reyfeo do you really think that when they wrote the constitution that they were talking about you and how they were going to protect your Americano rights. You got them by default because someone did what you do not and that is that they stood up to have latinos included. Y ahora eres todo amercano!!! yeehaw
You should read up on the 14th amendment and how they tried to excluded Mexicans born in America, how they did not qualify to be American citizens, someone stood up for your forefathers and now you can say, its not my problem, its theirs they’re the ones who are illegal.

]]> By: Reyfeo http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/09/10/the-other-visceral-reaction-when-%e2%80%9cillegal-immigrants%e2%80%9d-are-mentioned/comment-page-1/#comment-51467 Reyfeo Sun, 20 Sep 2009 01:49:28 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=666#comment-51467 Unless you are here illegally, "illegal" immigrant isn't a term directed at you the US Citizen. The "we" in both (Michaelr and manny s) of your statements implies you are here illegally...? I don’t think that’s the case, but still why would you as a US Citizen associate yourself (or think there’s an association) with terms identifying non-US immigrants here illegally? Why does it upset you so when Americans say "illegal" immigrants. They ARE NOT talking about you. Until we make the distinction and or define Latino, we are always going to be prey to our own self identity; always wrapped up with the “illegal” immigrant issues…well, news alert, their problems are not our problems and the sooner you get this, the sooner we can solve this problem. Unless you are here illegally, “illegal” immigrant isn’t a term directed at you the US Citizen.

The “we” in both (Michaelr and manny s) of your statements implies you are here illegally…? I don’t think that’s the case, but still why would you as a US Citizen associate yourself (or think there’s an association) with terms identifying non-US immigrants here illegally? Why does it upset you so when Americans say “illegal” immigrants. They ARE NOT talking about you. Until we make the distinction and or define Latino, we are always going to be prey to our own self identity; always wrapped up with the “illegal” immigrant issues…well, news alert, their problems are not our problems and the sooner you get this, the sooner we can solve this problem.

]]> By: manny s http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/09/10/the-other-visceral-reaction-when-%e2%80%9cillegal-immigrants%e2%80%9d-are-mentioned/comment-page-1/#comment-51425 manny s Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:19:41 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=666#comment-51425 amen .. michaelr, hell yes it matters what words are used and your right until we start to make them respect us they will only see us as day labour. we make them respect us by voting and voting them out and not buying the products of those that sponsor the hate. amen .. michaelr, hell yes it matters what words are used and your right until we start to make them respect us they will only see us as day labour. we make them respect us by voting and voting them out and not buying the products of those that sponsor the hate.

]]> By: Michaelr http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/09/10/the-other-visceral-reaction-when-%e2%80%9cillegal-immigrants%e2%80%9d-are-mentioned/comment-page-1/#comment-50860 Michaelr Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:37:59 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=666#comment-50860 Does it really matter what we’re called? It’ll always be insignificant how many of our family’s generations have been here, or how educated we are, the GOP, the religious right, Glenn Beck and FOX will always feel we are only qualified to mow their lawns, cook their food, and clean their toilets. Does it really matter what we’re called? It’ll always be insignificant how many of our family’s generations have been here, or how educated we are, the GOP, the religious right, Glenn Beck and FOX will always feel we are only qualified to mow their lawns, cook their food, and clean their toilets.

]]> By: theKaiser http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/09/10/the-other-visceral-reaction-when-%e2%80%9cillegal-immigrants%e2%80%9d-are-mentioned/comment-page-1/#comment-50840 theKaiser Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:00:23 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=666#comment-50840 The only thing that I will say is that ICE is over zealous with Latin American illegal immigrants, in some cases to the point they arrest Latino U.S. citizens in their raids as well. Be that as it may, does it really matter what we’re called? The only thing that I will say is that ICE is over zealous with Latin American illegal immigrants, in some cases to the point they arrest Latino U.S. citizens in their raids as well. Be that as it may, does it really matter what we’re called?

]]> By: HispanicPundit http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/09/10/the-other-visceral-reaction-when-%e2%80%9cillegal-immigrants%e2%80%9d-are-mentioned/comment-page-1/#comment-50711 HispanicPundit Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:01:42 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=666#comment-50711 I appreciate the advice but aside from me and those that disagree with you being stupid, I didn't see anywhere in your response an explanation for why you disagree that "“illegal immigrant” the term is neither accurate nor neutral". But then again, its probably cuz I am too dense, so please, spell it out for me. Us dumb people would really appreciate your enlightenment. I appreciate the advice but aside from me and those that disagree with you being stupid, I didn’t see anywhere in your response an explanation for why you disagree that ““illegal immigrant” the term is neither accurate nor neutral”.

But then again, its probably cuz I am too dense, so please, spell it out for me. Us dumb people would really appreciate your enlightenment.

]]> By: Jaango http://latinopoliticsblog.com/2009/09/10/the-other-visceral-reaction-when-%e2%80%9cillegal-immigrants%e2%80%9d-are-mentioned/comment-page-1/#comment-50334 Jaango Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:24:29 +0000 http://latinopoliticsblog.com/?p=666#comment-50334 Hispanic Pundit, In the earlier thread, you seem to have a dislike of "liberals"? And if I am correct, feel free to "bring it!" As such, I am a "liberal" As to "illegal immigrant" the term is neither accurate nor neutral. Perhaps, a Chicano with a cogent understanding of over 50,000 years of Native American history, would quickly recognize that the construct for the "criminally stupid" is easily found among the Center-Right and due to a righteous lack of intellectual rigor. Moreover, and said sadly on my part, there are no laws in America that protect us from these "criminally stupid". And yet, I am reminded by what a friend of mine from Portland, Oregon once said to me, and to wit, "There's days Karma dances naked in the sunlight like the fun loving slut she is." Thusly, seeing ourselves as others see is us, is the first step in a long road for piling up Honor for oneself. And should you ever go before your Christian God, She isn't going to be asking about your 'sins' but about having accrued your accomplishments relative to Honor. Just a Passing Thought from the Sonoran Desert. Jaango Hispanic Pundit,

In the earlier thread, you seem to have a dislike of “liberals”? And if I am correct, feel free to “bring it!” As such, I am a “liberal”

As to “illegal immigrant” the term is neither accurate nor neutral. Perhaps, a Chicano with a cogent understanding of over 50,000 years of Native American history, would quickly recognize that the construct for the “criminally stupid” is easily found among the Center-Right and due to a righteous lack of intellectual rigor.

Moreover, and said sadly on my part, there are no laws in America that protect us from these “criminally stupid”. And yet, I am reminded by what a friend of mine from Portland, Oregon once said to me, and to wit, “There’s days Karma dances naked in the sunlight like the fun loving slut she is.”

Thusly, seeing ourselves as others see is us, is the first step in a long road for piling up Honor for oneself. And should you ever go before your Christian God, She isn’t going to be asking about your ‘sins’ but about having accrued your accomplishments relative to Honor.

Just a Passing Thought from the Sonoran Desert.

Jaango

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