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Your tax dollars at work in Honduras

October 6th, 2009 · 17 Comments

I haven’t really blogged much about the coup situation in Honduras since this guest blog post Q & A from back in July, but I have been reading about the situation there in the blogs and in the regular news outlets. For the life of me, I still don’t understand why the de facto government of Honduras simply did not arrest Mel Zelaya and try him in court before tossing him out of the country to create this spectacle whenever he re-enters or in this case is now holed up in the Brazilian Embassy.

But now, the Cuban-American Congressional delegation of South Florida has taken it upon themselves to call for the US backing of elections to take place at the end of November. The problem with doing this is that the de facto president of Honduras, Micheletti, has taken to acting a bit like a dictator himself imposing curfews, cutting off power, blocking the media, etc. VivirLatino has a pretty good post up describing the current dictatorial conditions in Honduras here. How can you have legitimate elections in an environment where the citizens are on lock down? Real freedom loving, right?

Well, Reps. Ros-Lehtinen and Lincoln and Mario Diaz-Balart have called for a recognition of scheduled elections, and Ros-Lehtinen went even further as she ”sat and caressed Roberto Micheletti’s arm while holding up a copy of the constitution that specifically prohibits forced exile.” Guess who was subjected to forced exile? You got it, ousted President Zelaya. The picture on Greg Weeks’ blog says a lot, but when I saw it, I immediately thought, “Your tax dollars at work.” These Congressional representatives, who should have their hands full with health care and other issues, are choosing to insert themselves in this Honduras situation recognizing a de facto leader that doesn’t even have the support of the majority of the Honduran citizenry according to this recent poll.

A new poll released from a Honduran polling company shows that “Hondurans widely (by a margin of 2.3 to 1) oppose the coup, oppose coup ‘president’ Micheletti by a margin of 3 to 1 and favor the reinstatement of their elected President Manuel Zelaya by a clear majority of 3 to 2.” I find it appalling that Congressional representatives would go to Honduras and suggest that the US support the coup government that apparently isn’t even that popular with its own citizenry.

What do you think? Should our congressional representatives be involving themselves in the Honduras fiasco?

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Tags: Foreign Policy · Latin American Foreign Policy · Rep. Lincoln Diaz Balart · Rep. Mario Diaz Balart

17 responses so far ↓

  • 1 kyledeb // Oct 7, 2009 at 2:11 am

    You stated it exactly right, Adriana. If the coup government truly was legitimate they would have tried Zelaya the right way.

  • 2 Reyfeo // Oct 7, 2009 at 5:39 am

    Under Honduran Constitution there is no impeachment process (you probably didn’t know that). Don’t call it a defacto gov’t because it isn’t. A sequence of events where Zelaya tried to change the Constitution, via Chavez ingredients, led to his ousting. He was thrown out of the country by a judicial process that confirmed he had broken constitutional law as President. He was removed by the military under direct orders from the legislative and judicial branches.

    In parallel, Chavez has been grooming Ortega (Nicaragua), Correa (Ecuador), Christina (Argentina), and Coca Leaf boy Evo (Bolivia) since he took office…all of these people are anti-American left leaners who subscribe to the Bolivarian movement (something akin to Hitler taking over Europe).

    Not sure what poll you are looking at, but the polls I’ve been monitoring show the opposite; a support for what happened and new elections in November. The “lockdown” you are referring to is in place only since Brazil allowed Zelaya to stay at their Embassy. The “lockdown” is to avert/avoid violence beyond the daylight hours that Zelaya is initiating from his post in the Brazilian Embassy.

    This article completely distorts what is REALLY happening in Honduras!!

    Webmaster I have a presentation/slides that details/answers/accurately accounts all the events that led to Zelaya’s legal removal, how do I upload, since it’s not a link?

  • 3 ix // Oct 7, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    Rey Feo.
    “to the Bolivarian movement (something akin to Hitler taking over Europe). ”
    Please…no comparison. Quit your fear mongering. If you have details/answers/”the truth”/ etc. Do yourself a favor and get a website with godoggy.

  • 4 Anna // Oct 7, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    Zelaya was ousted because he wanted to redistribute wealth to the poor. The scumbag C-American delegation favors a society where the brown people work for little or no wages and live in abject poverty, while a small group of white elites control the nation’s wealth and live in prosperity.

    Any Latin American leader who wants to economically empower the poor will be slandered as communist, etc.

  • 5 stephen // Oct 8, 2009 at 9:01 am

    They should have arrested him, but that doesn’t make his removal illegitimate. Had the helicopter taking Nixon to the airport instead taken him to Canada, that wouldn’t mean Nixon should be president again. The poll is also biased. The questions are asymmetrical. Not to mention inconsistent with other polls I’ve seen. I agree that Zelaya should be in Honduras (I think he is now) but he should be in a Honduran jail cell awaiting trial.

  • 6 Reyfeo // Oct 8, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    ix–I was simply making a point that Zelaya is part of a bigger movement, driven by Chavez and friends, but since you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about, I’ll simply dis-regard your stupid comments from now on.

    Stephen, you are correct…in fact right now the Honduran Gov’t (to include the Minister of Defense) is considering bringing charges to certain military individuals who went to far by sending Zelaya out of the country and the Military Generals who ordered the removal have agreed to a hearing to ensure any wrong doing is brought to justice (not something you would see in ususal coups)…it does not, however, make his removal a illegitimate…all orders to remove were from the Judicial and legislative branch to include some in his party who felt he was on the wrong (Chavez) tract to re-writing the Honduran Constitution.

    FYI:
    Article 239 (of Honduran Constitution): “No citizen who has already served as head of the Executive Branch can be President or Vice-President. Whoever violates this law or proposes its reform, as well as those that support such violation directly or indirectly, will immediately cease in their functions and will be unable to hold any public office for a period of 10
    years.”

  • 7 webmaster // Oct 8, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Reyfeo,

    The Honduran Constitution also says, “No Honduran can be expatriated or handed over by authorities to a foreign state.” Check out the link here:

    http://weeksnotice.blogspot.com/2009/10/honduras-new-argument.html

    Zelaya was still in his term as elected President of Honduras. He should have been tried, not thrown out. How can you convict him of trying to serve as President or Executive again without following some sort of due process?

  • 8 Reyfeo // Oct 9, 2009 at 6:29 am

    Agree Webmaster…as of now, what I have learned (from friends in Honduras) is the Judicial branch is looking to convict the Military officers who went TOO FAR…Micheletti and current military officers have agreed with this as well…that said, his ousting of the presidency was on target and legal…Hondurans actually used democratic/constitutional precedence to rid themselves of what was another potential dictator/Chavez. Shouldn’t we applaud this effort?

    Keep in mind, Honduran history led them to be very strict about never allowing the current term of Presidents to be changed…Zelaya, had attempted in numerous indirect ways to do this…the final straw was his referendum and so he was legally ousted.

    The focus shouldn’t be on his removal out of the country but the reason for his removal in the first place (Art 239)…I can, however, see how this stains the legitimacy of his removal for breaking constitutional law (ie it just looks bad). He was bad for Honduras, the polls support this in Honduras, and I only wish the article written was less biased.

  • 9 Anna // Oct 9, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    Reyfeo, you are so lost.

  • 10 Michaelr // Oct 10, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    I agree with your assessment there Anna.

  • 11 Reyfeo // Oct 12, 2009 at 6:27 am

    Enlighten us, what is it you know shows or proves my thoughts/discussion (ie Webby showed me an Article in the Honduran Constitution I had not thought about for example)…otherwise please stop acting like the liberal almighty and say something constructive…I understand these snippets from Anna, but MichaelR? You are really starting to lose stock value with your innate inserts–pitiful and typical lefty thinker with little value added to this (or any other for that matter) conversation…stop blogging, you’d be doing us all a favor…lol !!

  • 12 Michaelr // Oct 12, 2009 at 10:54 am

    If you engaged in conversation that would be one thing, however you seem to enjoy promoting lies. You represent what is typically touted in the Bible belt, and that thinking is regressive.

  • 13 El Cholo // Oct 12, 2009 at 11:13 am

    Michaelr, don’t waste your words with this cerebrally challenged hallelujah. Let him talk to the walls up there in Palmdale and ignore him.

  • 14 Reyfeo // Oct 12, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    Lies? Everything I have stated is true, but since you haven’t said a thing in rebuttal, it shows your ignorance and or inablity to converse in open debate…BTW, I go/have been to Honduras in the last three months twice…I have business there and other countries in Latin-America. Seen first hand what the new Honduras is looking like since your punk Zelaya got his a$$ handed to him…Not sure how you would know more…? Try learning something from somewhere other than you couches…lol!

  • 15 El Cholo // Oct 12, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    Michaelr doesn’t have a couch, and neither do I. And we’ve never advocated for Zelaya, so there you go again…telling more lies. However, we do have relations with Dole Foods and Chiquita International. But all that may be too complicated for your small mind to grasp.

  • 16 Reyfeo // Oct 13, 2009 at 5:20 am

    Not really…you’re fruity and like small elongated obejects. Not hard to grasp where you stand. Thanks for playing.

  • 17 theKaiser // Oct 13, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    When you engage with morons, this is the kind of conversation that entails. El Cholo you should know better, and Michaelr, you should really know better.

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