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		<title>By: Obama and Latino Appointments (at a record pace)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama and Latino Appointments (at a record pace)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Seneca&#8217;s earlier observation about Latino appointments, President Obama is on track to appoint more Latinos to top posts within [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Seneca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seneca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having worked many years in both the public (federal) sector and the private sector, I have never seen a real &#039;heavy&#039; emphasis on recruiting Latinos. In the private sector, there has been sporadically a focused objective Latinos especially in marketing and sales. The problem we Latinos have fundamentally is that we do not sue. Hence, the true winners of the affirmative action wars of last 4 decades have been white women...they sued and won and they marry (sleep) with white males who are biased for obvious reasons. Blacks are another group who has sued successfully and have been rewarded. Since there is no legal penalty for not recruiting Hispanic Americans or Latinos, it simply does not rise as a contentious issue and the establishment readily shakes the problem off. There has been an array of programs to recruit and hire Latinos. In the defense and security area, it becomes most problematic . The State dept on this score has the Pickering fellowship. Check into this prestigious program at Princeton. There are indeed a host or programs which is what you wanted know the key to recruiting officers for the senior foreigner service is low. We need not just mentors in Washington, but rabbis or padrinos to watch over the clan...every ethnic group helps their own fellow ethnic pals or first rate minds. We have never institutionalized it...rabbis and Padrinos wire jobs. Promotion, lead a company etc...mentors are fine but they serve as pathfinders guides, counselors....but you need their top cover in the field you endeavor...mentors merely show the way forward and helping map out a strategic plan ...our Latino appointments will only work around the clock. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked many years in both the public (federal) sector and the private sector, I have never seen a real &#8216;heavy&#8217; emphasis on recruiting Latinos. In the private sector, there has been sporadically a focused objective Latinos especially in marketing and sales. The problem we Latinos have fundamentally is that we do not sue. Hence, the true winners of the affirmative action wars of last 4 decades have been white women&#8230;they sued and won and they marry (sleep) with white males who are biased for obvious reasons. Blacks are another group who has sued successfully and have been rewarded. Since there is no legal penalty for not recruiting Hispanic Americans or Latinos, it simply does not rise as a contentious issue and the establishment readily shakes the problem off. There has been an array of programs to recruit and hire Latinos. In the defense and security area, it becomes most problematic . The State dept on this score has the Pickering fellowship. Check into this prestigious program at Princeton. There are indeed a host or programs which is what you wanted know the key to recruiting officers for the senior foreigner service is low. We need not just mentors in Washington, but rabbis or padrinos to watch over the clan&#8230;every ethnic group helps their own fellow ethnic pals or first rate minds. We have never institutionalized it&#8230;rabbis and Padrinos wire jobs. Promotion, lead a company etc&#8230;mentors are fine but they serve as pathfinders guides, counselors&#8230;.but you need their top cover in the field you endeavor&#8230;mentors merely show the way forward and helping map out a strategic plan &#8230;our Latino appointments will only work around the clock.</p>
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		<title>By: David Molina</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Molina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seneca, I enjoyed your analysis on Latinos in the federal workforce. Thank you for providing it in the forum. Some thoughts:

... to understand and navigate the troubled waters of the tangled bureaucracy. 
...to brace itself for the on-going acrimonious health-care reform efforts, the looming immigration reform and the economic and tax adjustments. 

What systems are in place within the federal system to educate and recruit Latinos? There is heavy emphasis to recruit Latinos into the private sector, for obvious reasons, but rarely do I hear of momentum at the federal level. Unless, you&#039;ve served in the military and you are transitioning out, the DoE, DoD etc will be there, but what about the State Department? While I think Obama has made strides to elevate Latinos to higher positions, it is the individuals responsibility to prepare themselves for those positions. Again, what is in place at the federal level to educate this large population? 

Within several years, and maybe a turnaround in the stock market, it is anticipated that tens of thousands will retire from government posts. While I think some will choose these posts, I still think slightly more will choose the private sector route. Thanks again for your post! ^dm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seneca, I enjoyed your analysis on Latinos in the federal workforce. Thank you for providing it in the forum. Some thoughts:</p>
<p>&#8230; to understand and navigate the troubled waters of the tangled bureaucracy.<br />
&#8230;to brace itself for the on-going acrimonious health-care reform efforts, the looming immigration reform and the economic and tax adjustments. </p>
<p>What systems are in place within the federal system to educate and recruit Latinos? There is heavy emphasis to recruit Latinos into the private sector, for obvious reasons, but rarely do I hear of momentum at the federal level. Unless, you&#8217;ve served in the military and you are transitioning out, the DoE, DoD etc will be there, but what about the State Department? While I think Obama has made strides to elevate Latinos to higher positions, it is the individuals responsibility to prepare themselves for those positions. Again, what is in place at the federal level to educate this large population? </p>
<p>Within several years, and maybe a turnaround in the stock market, it is anticipated that tens of thousands will retire from government posts. While I think some will choose these posts, I still think slightly more will choose the private sector route. Thanks again for your post! ^dm</p>
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		<title>By: DoctorH</title>
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		<dc:creator>DoctorH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jammer, when you communicate with morons, this is the kind of dialogue you’re forced to engage in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jammer, when you communicate with morons, this is the kind of dialogue you’re forced to engage in.</p>
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		<title>By: Reyfeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reyfeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time will tell Jammer, if indeed the foundation your boy NObama lays is really going to help la raza. Right now he&#039;s ranking as the worst President, maybe second to Carter, for economical disaster he&#039;s creating for Latinos et al.  The part that gets you and your lefty liebral  friends is i&#039;m not alone in this thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time will tell Jammer, if indeed the foundation your boy NObama lays is really going to help la raza. Right now he&#8217;s ranking as the worst President, maybe second to Carter, for economical disaster he&#8217;s creating for Latinos et al.  The part that gets you and your lefty liebral  friends is i&#8217;m not alone in this thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look what I found...

President Obama Appoints Members of the Commission to Study the Potential Creation of a National Museum of the American Latino


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/President-Obama-Appoints-Members-of-the-Commission-to-Study-the-Potential-Creation-of-a-National-Museum-of-the-American-Latino/

None of the people he chose are academics, and only was of Mexican descent . 

I am opposed to this museum.  We won&#039;t have a say, and they will just butcher our history.  I really don&#039;t care for this Latino category at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look what I found&#8230;</p>
<p>President Obama Appoints Members of the Commission to Study the Potential Creation of a National Museum of the American Latino</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/President-Obama-Appoints-Members-of-the-Commission-to-Study-the-Potential-Creation-of-a-National-Museum-of-the-American-Latino/" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/President-Obama-Appoints-Members-of-the-Commission-to-Study-the-Potential-Creation-of-a-National-Museum-of-the-American-Latino/</a></p>
<p>None of the people he chose are academics, and only was of Mexican descent . </p>
<p>I am opposed to this museum.  We won&#8217;t have a say, and they will just butcher our history.  I really don&#8217;t care for this Latino category at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaango</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elections have consequence.  

In 2008 the white population was less than 60% in Nevada, Maryland, Georgia, Arizona, and New Mexico.  In contrast, the following or DC, Texas, Hawaii, California and New Mexico were majority-minority states.  Now, did these states combined carry Obama &quot;over-the-top&quot; for his success in achieving the Oval Office?  

Now, as to the Stim Monies, I believe that Obama will insure that the funds for all these &#039;contracts&#039; that will go to the States, Counties, and Municipalities will be accurately apportioned regardless of Demographics, Race, or Political Affiliation. 

Additionally, I do not see Obama as a &quot;progressive&quot; in the truest sense, but I do see him as being a &#039;centrist&#039; of sorts when it&#039;s convenient to achieve his self-fulling political agenda.  So, if one commences with the &quot;libertarian&quot; view starting with John Locke, Obama will reach further into this vein of Thought and arrive at the &quot;common good&quot; that Locke espoused, as well, provided the majority has taken and rendered the vote accordingly.  Thus, the votes on Stimulus and institutional bailouts have been tallied , and health care, will soon occur in the next few weeks.

As to health care, I favor &quot;open access&quot; to the Indian Health Services and the VA, for our &#039;medical care delivered&#039;.  And yet, my Idea is absent from the legislation, and therefore, it behooves me to get off my twin cheeks and do some advocacy, albeit somewhat tardy.

Jaango</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elections have consequence.  </p>
<p>In 2008 the white population was less than 60% in Nevada, Maryland, Georgia, Arizona, and New Mexico.  In contrast, the following or DC, Texas, Hawaii, California and New Mexico were majority-minority states.  Now, did these states combined carry Obama &#8220;over-the-top&#8221; for his success in achieving the Oval Office?  </p>
<p>Now, as to the Stim Monies, I believe that Obama will insure that the funds for all these &#8216;contracts&#8217; that will go to the States, Counties, and Municipalities will be accurately apportioned regardless of Demographics, Race, or Political Affiliation. </p>
<p>Additionally, I do not see Obama as a &#8220;progressive&#8221; in the truest sense, but I do see him as being a &#8216;centrist&#8217; of sorts when it&#8217;s convenient to achieve his self-fulling political agenda.  So, if one commences with the &#8220;libertarian&#8221; view starting with John Locke, Obama will reach further into this vein of Thought and arrive at the &#8220;common good&#8221; that Locke espoused, as well, provided the majority has taken and rendered the vote accordingly.  Thus, the votes on Stimulus and institutional bailouts have been tallied , and health care, will soon occur in the next few weeks.</p>
<p>As to health care, I favor &#8220;open access&#8221; to the Indian Health Services and the VA, for our &#8216;medical care delivered&#8217;.  And yet, my Idea is absent from the legislation, and therefore, it behooves me to get off my twin cheeks and do some advocacy, albeit somewhat tardy.</p>
<p>Jaango</p>
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		<title>By: jammer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaango, your comment on perjoratives is wasted on &quot;reyfeo&quot;  as he gets off on using perjoratives which only make sense to him in some twisted sense.  If people carefully read Seneca&#039;s post and thought about it it makes alot of sense and is in fact accurate.  Obama is laying a solid foundation and when done most of us will be pleased.  I would rather He be deliberate then shoot from the hip and lip like the last President</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaango, your comment on perjoratives is wasted on &#8220;reyfeo&#8221;  as he gets off on using perjoratives which only make sense to him in some twisted sense.  If people carefully read Seneca&#8217;s post and thought about it it makes alot of sense and is in fact accurate.  Obama is laying a solid foundation and when done most of us will be pleased.  I would rather He be deliberate then shoot from the hip and lip like the last President</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;And furthermore, two-thirds of the Obama Stimulus has not been spent, and which will come forth in the form of ‘government contracts’ of a varied sort.&quot;

They will spend that so-called stimulus money right before the 2010 election in battleground states such as Pennsylvania and Michigan. It&#039;s about Obama and the Democrats staying in power, not fixing the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;And furthermore, two-thirds of the Obama Stimulus has not been spent, and which will come forth in the form of ‘government contracts’ of a varied sort.&#8221;</p>
<p>They will spend that so-called stimulus money right before the 2010 election in battleground states such as Pennsylvania and Michigan. It&#8217;s about Obama and the Democrats staying in power, not fixing the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaango</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reyfeo,

Your perjorative for &quot;Nobama&quot; is being wasted on me.  And as usual, this denigration does not hold my attention.

In the prior thread, a smart discussion was held on Latino educational stats.  And more to the point, we are floor sweepers and housekeepers because, our &quot;ambition&quot; was not reinvigorated for education since our &quot;unmet needs&quot; were not properly or appropriately addressed.

And yet, if done properly, you would, I am sure, be amply familiar with an &quot;academic--military draft&quot; in which an 18-year-old would serve three years, with 50% of the time spent on the military mission and 50% of the time spend on the academic mission.  Consequently, upon discharge, the &quot;new&quot; vet would have a two-year college degree that is equivalent to an Associate Arts in General Studies.  Thus, this New Vet could go down to any financial institution and borrow the necessary funds to complete his or her third and fourth year of academics.  As such, an &quot;investment&quot; on onself, and at no cost would be visited on the parent(s).  

It&#039;s my experience and understanding that &quot;leadership&quot; starts with empowering oneself or the Individual, is the only viable avenue to success for all of us.  Therefore, if you hold to my view, &#039;reaching&#039; back to help a fellow citizen upwards to reach the next rung on the economic ladder, is a commendable behavior.

As to Obama&#039;s Agenda for Success, the bar has been set low given that Dr. Josh Marshall described the Bush/Cheney Regimen as America&#039;s &quot;dark aberration&quot; of 8 years.  And yet, I prefer my much better descriptive for the Era of the Criminally Stupid.  And I am not alone in my thinking.  A friend from Portland, Oregon, said it even better than I, and to wit, &quot;There&#039;s days Karma dances naked in the sun like the fun loving slut that she is&quot;

Jaango</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reyfeo,</p>
<p>Your perjorative for &#8220;Nobama&#8221; is being wasted on me.  And as usual, this denigration does not hold my attention.</p>
<p>In the prior thread, a smart discussion was held on Latino educational stats.  And more to the point, we are floor sweepers and housekeepers because, our &#8220;ambition&#8221; was not reinvigorated for education since our &#8220;unmet needs&#8221; were not properly or appropriately addressed.</p>
<p>And yet, if done properly, you would, I am sure, be amply familiar with an &#8220;academic&#8211;military draft&#8221; in which an 18-year-old would serve three years, with 50% of the time spent on the military mission and 50% of the time spend on the academic mission.  Consequently, upon discharge, the &#8220;new&#8221; vet would have a two-year college degree that is equivalent to an Associate Arts in General Studies.  Thus, this New Vet could go down to any financial institution and borrow the necessary funds to complete his or her third and fourth year of academics.  As such, an &#8220;investment&#8221; on onself, and at no cost would be visited on the parent(s).  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s my experience and understanding that &#8220;leadership&#8221; starts with empowering oneself or the Individual, is the only viable avenue to success for all of us.  Therefore, if you hold to my view, &#8216;reaching&#8217; back to help a fellow citizen upwards to reach the next rung on the economic ladder, is a commendable behavior.</p>
<p>As to Obama&#8217;s Agenda for Success, the bar has been set low given that Dr. Josh Marshall described the Bush/Cheney Regimen as America&#8217;s &#8220;dark aberration&#8221; of 8 years.  And yet, I prefer my much better descriptive for the Era of the Criminally Stupid.  And I am not alone in my thinking.  A friend from Portland, Oregon, said it even better than I, and to wit, &#8220;There&#8217;s days Karma dances naked in the sun like the fun loving slut that she is&#8221;</p>
<p>Jaango</p>
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