Sadly, the California governor’s race has turned into a “let’s see who can talk the toughest on immigration” competition. This really is no surprise, as immigration becomes a focal point in tough economic times. Throughout history we have seen how “outsiders” are scapegoated whenever economic conditions are unfavorable. Even today, we are witnessing a rise in racism and immigrant bashing in Greece, which like California is in its own debt and economic crisis. The reality is that as long as there is severe global inequity and people are unable to make a living in their home countries, there will be global migration, illegal and otherwise. Cracking down on borders, sending troops to patrol border cities, and taking away public benefits are all band-aid solutions.
In the past few days on the Republican side, we have heard Steve Poizner, currently California’s Insurance Commissioner, who is fighting a heated battle with billionaire Meg Whitman telling us, “I’m going to be the truth-teller in this campaign. As governor, I’m going to stop illegal immigration once and for all.” Uh, I hate to break it to you Mr. Poizner, but unless you are going to address global inequity, you probably aren’t going to stop illegal immigration ‘once and for all.’
Just today in the GOP Governor’s debate, Steve Poizner said this, “We have to stop illegal immigration,” he said. “The only way to do it is to turn the magnets off, by ending, once and for all, all the taxpayer-funded benefits for people who are here illegally. Meg doesn’t want to go that far; I support Prop. 187; she opposes it.” Well, just to revisit history for a minute, Proposition 187 was ruled unconstitutional. And most immigrants, illegal or otherwise, come here to work. The big incentive is a job whether it is in the legitimate or underground economy. Taxpayer benefits are more of a tangential benefit. Yes, in a more perfect world, we would not have any undocumented people, but in my view, it is absolutely inhumane to deny an undocumented child basic health care or an undocumented field worker basic emergency care should he or she need it. It is no wonder that Steve Poizner is polling far behind and isn’t making gains in the Latino community.
For me, the irony about Steve Poizner’s “tough talk” on immigration is that he has acquired as a press advisor, Bettina Inclan, formerly of the Republican National Hispanic Assembly, who has previously addressed how GOP candidates can avoid “putting off” Hispanics. Unfortunately, I don’t think that Mr. Poizner has digested or taken to heart Ms. Inclan’s reasonable advice. I did notice that there is a Twitter account, @Latinos4Poizner, and nothing has been tweeted. My suspicion is that there isn’t much Latino excitement for Steve Poizner, and he has pretty much blown any chance of generating it.
However, the immigration rhetoric doesn’t improve much with Meg Whitman, but she isn’t perceived to be as harsh when it comes to undocumented children. In the GOP Governor’s debate, she stated that she’s “100 percent against amnesty, no exceptions.” And she also said the following about the border, “We haven’t done what we need to do to secure this border.” Ok fine, but explain to me exactly how we are going to conduct the mass deportations without incurring massive costs. Has Ms. Whitman read this cost benefit analysis about deportations?
I think that Meg Whitman comes across slightly more humane and realistic on immigration than her GOP opponent does when she indicated that she did not want to hold undocumented children accountable for “the sins of their fathers” and that she was not in favor of policies to penalize them. Does this mean that Ms. Whitman could be persuaded to support the DREAM Act or some other effort to legalize the children? Possibly, but I’m not holding my breath.
And finally on the Democratic side, Jerry Brown is telling us that he opposes ‘sanctuary cities’ and driver’s licenses for the undocumented, which are indicative of more centrist views on immigration for someone who is often painted a ‘liberal.’ However, I can see the logic it not wanting to give anyone more driver’s licenses, as many feel that driving is plainly a privilege. The term “sanctuary city” doesn’t have a legal meaning, but it is interpreted as “cities that do not allow municipal funds or resources to be used to enforce federal immigration laws.” With all that cities have to contend with in these lean times, I believe that immigration enforcement should be left to the federal government. We have all seen what happens when it tries to go local, like in Maricopa County, Arizona, and it isn’t pretty.
So what are you thoughts on the immigration rhetoric in the California governor’s race? Are these immigration rants cheap and easy shots or have these candidates offered some concrete solutions to address the immigration issue? Tell us what you think and which candidate you think the Latino community will end up supporting.




34 responses so far ↓
1 Reyfeo // Mar 16, 2010 at 6:02 am
You just don’t get it, do you? You’re on the Titanic and still you play this “uh-chucks” tune about illegal immigration. These people see that its time to turn off the free entitlements that have drawn illegal aliens to California for years past…what’s even more sad is how you STILL can’t see how California is proven to be the failed utopian state you so wish for…THEY ARE BROKE DUDE!! And it has everything to do with freebies to illegal’s who have not reciprocated paying enough taxes to even out the stakes. This anti-immigration you rant against WILL resonate with this voters…they see the realities with this and have had enough too. In the end, you should know, it comes down to either saving our (American) way of life or dooming it with because naysayers like you who can’t see the water is way above your head.
2 Tony Herrera // Mar 16, 2010 at 11:09 am
@Reyfeo
The one who is obviously clueless is yourself.
The myth that immigrants don’t pay enough taxes has been refuted time and again. It’s actually pretty simple to figure out, if you consider that most undocumented immigrants work for an employer and federal law requires employers to deduct and pay payroll taxes for such employees. Also plenty of studies have shown that undocumented workers don’t use the “freebies” you imply, aside from aide to families with dependent children almost every state in the union denies such types of benefits to undocumented immigrants.
I’m sure you’ve got the smarts to figure it out. Think about that next time you are enjoying that .99 cent burger and relish at the thought that such burger would not be possible with out immigrant labor.
Seems to me that the only one with a RANT is you.
Lastly, exactly would you define “American” way of life?
3 Michaelr // Mar 16, 2010 at 7:03 pm
There’s nothing more ugly than self-loathing. And no one expresses that more clearly than Reyfeo.
4 Reyfeo // Mar 16, 2010 at 9:00 pm
So let me get this straight, they pay enough taxes, and so let’s just let them stay here? Fact is most illegal’s have no health insurances and consequently end up in ERs to get the medical care they need. That drains the system, but in your world this is okay? I could go on with many other areas of our society where they economically drain the real tax payers.
In the farms (where they pick peaches, oranges etc), ranches (where they get take care of sheep, goats, cows etc) and many construction sites (where they tend to be day workers) these people get straight cash and avoid your surveys and useless studies. I worked every one of this gigs and so I know this first hand. Fact is there are studies that show the exact opposite of what you are saying. You’re a typical Liberal, always throwing out the “ooh look at me, I have a study” bull shi$$ flag, please give us all a break and see the real world crumbling around you…economically, illegal aliens have had an adverse impact in the United Sates, period! Just look west (or around you if you live in the grand Utopian world of LA) and you, might get a clue!
5 Tony Herrera // Mar 17, 2010 at 9:10 am
@Reyfeo
Are you saying that all farmers, ranchers and construction sites pay their workers straight cash? You got any evidence to back up that allegation? If you do, then my question would be who is breaking the law? The employee (undocumented or not) for taking that job or the unscrupulous employer?
Good for you that you’ve worked in those types of jobs, but IMO that’s not enough to make you a credible expert on the subject. Care to share a link to the studies you cite?
I won’t disagree with you that the real world is crumbling, but you and I will definitely disagree on whether the reason it’s crumbling has to do with the impact from immigrants, legal or otherwise.
Just to clarify. I live in LA, have so for most of my life. I get it. I see the benefit immigrants bring to this multi-ethnic, vibrant megalopolis.
Lastly, undocumented immigrants have as much human rights and civil rights to visit an ER if necessary. In my book, it only bigots and racists who would think of denying someone such care and treatment.
Do you have a heart Reyfeo? Have you ever found yourself in a desperate medical situation and had only the county ER to rely upon as your last resort?
Fact is undocumented immigrants don’t use the ER any more so than legal residents and US citizens that are uninsured or under-insured. Heck WalMart even host seminars for their employees on how to make use of such county services. Last time I looked WalMart was the largest private employer with some 2,100,000 employees. The largest employer being our own Federal Gov, but those employees enjoy gov paid health benefits, benefits made possible and partially funded by via the taxes that undocumented immigrants pay, but under your world should be denied any sort of benefits and somehow rounded up and sent back to whence they came.
Reyfeo, you and I are obviously at opposite ends of the spectrum.
I’d like to have us find some common ground and would only ask you a simple question.
Please tell me how you would go about solving the issue of the 12+ million undocumented immigrants who currently live in this country?
6 IE // Mar 17, 2010 at 1:47 pm
@ Reyfeo
Reyfeo, I’m with Tony on this one, please tell us the brilliant solution that you have in mind?
I’m curious if you can come up with one that doesn’t come from a place of anger.
IMO, the reality is that undocumented individuals are exploited and many politicians just turn the other cheek because their efforts truly benefit their constituents more than they hurt them.
Personally, I don’t have the solution or do I think that I could come up with one; however, I do think that there “HAS” to be a better way.
Reyfeo, maybe you have it for us!
7 Reyfeo // Mar 17, 2010 at 7:04 pm
First, let me say there is no anger here, frustration yes, anger no…also, I don’t have to prove whether I do or don’t have a heart, trust me I sleep well with my beliefs…if you can respect, as you wisely put it, that we are on opposite spectrums of this issue, then yes, we might find some common ground.
As for credibility, you beat me to the punch, as I could have very easily asked you the same question about ‘where’s your proof/link that isn’t put out but left leaning websites…BUT, before we link this discussion to death, let me say this. Sure there are other areas that have affected the gross debt incurred by states like Cali who now find themselves in complete chaos. But in this blog we’re talking illegal immigration.
That said, the solution isn’t to continue to harbor the problem by allowing immigrants to stay here. To say to me, Reyfeo, you have no heart, and every human being has a right to go to an ER is insulting…I TOO would help any man/woman or child who needed it, but not if that man/woman put their children in a predicament knowing full well they are breaking America laws. There is point where returning them to their home country is better…let their country deal with the ER issue…I think we can agree that you totally don’t accept this. The reason I think its no longer viable to allow illegal’s to drain the real tax payers is the same reason you won’t give every single broke person holding a “will work for food” sign at every other corner exit on the 405 because you know it does him/her no good to do it…and you can’t afford it.
The solution is simple…close the borders…allow more workers permits with limits on staying…if they break the rules, send them home. Set rules like no anchor babies or you go home with that baby…or the child can stay with an American family…harsh, maybe, but its like my 4 year old, if I don’t set any rules, they won’t follow them…in the end, I believe every man, especially one with a family has a responsibility to himself, his family and his God to do the right thing…breaking our laws is not the right thing.
8 Hey Now! // Mar 17, 2010 at 7:47 pm
“The reality is that as long as there is severe global inequity and people are unable to make a living in their home countries”
People are unable to make a living right here in this country. As America continue to decline as a power–and it will–even more people will be in that boat.
How happy will these millions of immigrants be when they realize they will never be able to obtain the American dream?
9 Anna // Mar 17, 2010 at 11:35 pm
Re: “anchor babies”
I can’t believe you would use that vile, racist term. Those babies are AMERICANS.
What is wrong with you that you would embrace an ideology that dehumanizes your own people, or any people? You are sick in the head.
10 Reyfeo // Mar 18, 2010 at 7:19 pm
@ Anna,
Not ideology, responisbility!
…seriously though, not trying to be mean spirited and so if the term offends you I won’t use it.
…now if only I could get Liberals to care, love and defend babies so they don’t get aborted.
11 Bryan J. // Mar 19, 2010 at 11:08 am
The California governor candidates’ are riding whatever wave that gets them into office and are willing to make promises–like ending illegal immigration once and for all–that are severely unlikely to be followed through on.
But I don’t think that the problem should be ignored in the lens of “if global inequity, then illegal immigration”, especially in the context of the United States. For example, if “illegali immigration is currently 500,000(for arguments sake) a year, why not provide a permanent visa for, say, 100,000 a year and then maybe people can wait a couple of years for their visa to be available.
I don’t know if it’s realistic as a solution, but it’s not even close to the radar in any plans written up.
Here’s my preface to the rally March 21st, which runs along similar lines to this particular post:
http://bryanjohnsonblog.com/2010/03/19/the-power-of-the-sun/
12 michelle Quinn // Mar 20, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Anna they are called anchor babies because their parents are illegal and have children in this county illegally… more over they use their so called American children as cash aids and welfare recipients…
People who call babies anchors are being honest not racist… I think that most Americans would say that race is not an issue.. cubans are not a problem, but illegal Mexicans are!
Go to any welfare office in the state of california and get a clue my friend!
13 Anna // Mar 20, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Re: “Anna they are called anchor babies because their parents are illegal and have children in this county illegally”
Nobody has children “illegally.” Any child born on Americans soil is an American. How dumb can you be?! And unlike you, I don’t hang out at welfare offices.
If there was ever an argument for reinstating the poll tax, you’re it.
14 What The.. // Mar 23, 2010 at 11:49 am
Rising numbers of undocumented immigrants from Mexico and Central America are streaming into Texas to give birth, straining hospitals and costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars, health officials say. Immigrants “want a U.S.-born baby” and know that emergency room staffers don’t collect any money up front, said Dr. Mario Rodriguez, an obstetrician in Starr County. “The word is out: Come to Starr County and get delivered for free. Why pay $1,000 in Mexico when you can get it for free?” Rodriguez said. Immigration-control advocates regard the U.S.-born infants as “anchor babies” because they give their undocumented parents and relatives a way to petition for citizenship. They estimate that 360,000 of these babies are born in the U.S. every year and warn that the numbers are rising.
Once parents have an “anchor baby,” they become more difficult to deport, said Jack Martin, a spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a lobby organization in Washington, D.C.
Starr County Memorial Hospital had $3.6 million in uncollected medical bills in 2005, up from $1.5 million in 2002. The total when fiscal 2006 ends on Sept. 30 is expected to hit $3.9 million, chief financial officer Rafael Olivarez said. Unpaid bills for the past five years will reach nearly $13 million, he said. -Border Baby Booms Strain South Texas, Houston Chronicle, 2006. No one has children illegally, ok. But it would be naive to say that one would not come to this country for underlying reasons, that would be misrepresentation and fraud. Any child born in the US is an American, “not subject to any foreign power”. Mexican nationals are still subject to the country of Mexico, unless they resend their citizenship by expatriation.
15 6monkeyrs // Mar 24, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Wow!
This article bash republicans….but all they are saying is no more. Do not come here because we can not support you, and we don’t have jobs for you, but the democrats are saying, come on over.
Here I thought that this blog was about latino and morally providing a good write up, but is another place for republican bashing.
16 irma // Mar 24, 2010 at 6:19 pm
@ Reyfeo
I am one of those “anchor babies” – that you refer to. I am also a PhD and an educator , with degrees from the best schools in Texas
and California. But I guess according to you,
I should have been sent back to Mexico along with my undocumented father?
You are wrong in thinking that illegal immigrants take advantage of the medical care system in the US. I grew up with no health insurance and my father NEVER took us to
the ER for fear of his being sent back to Mexico.
We paid cash when we did go to the doctor .
Suffice it to say, that my parents were fortunate that they had very healthy children.
Indeed, we never even applied for free lunch because my parents were afraid of my father’s immigration status being revealed.
So there were days, when I didnt have much lunch at all.
My father NEVER got arrested and YES paid
Social security taxes for over 20 years until we
finally got him legal resident status. He died
at age 50, so he was never a “burden ” to the US tax payer.
You need to look in mirror and remember who you are . Or are you really a troll who cruises
this kind of blog posing as a Latino?
17 Reyfeo // Mar 25, 2010 at 5:53 am
Nice post irma…just so you know I grew up on the border of Texas…my father is from Mexico who became a resident in his teenage years, married my mother, a 3rd generation American of Latino descent, after being a taxpaying citizen for almost 5 years. I too have a bachelor and masters from great universities in Texas.
Looking in the mirror isn’t hard for me Irma…my reply to people like you with your ‘sensitive’ and “my father struggled to get us a better life, and he was of no burden to the tax payer” story is good for him and the tax payers of the US! My father had the same hardships except he didn’t have to hide us because he did it the right way. Your success story doesn’t make it right and you’ll get little sympathy from me (that is after all why you wrote this). Fact is your father (and I mean no disrespect for the buried) chose not to get in line and acquire his citizenship through due process before he put your family through the hardships you write about. Fact is you got lucky, and truly, I’m glad you’ve done well after all you are an American…but you are an ANOMOLY of success. Your father is responsible for his actions–if it caused you and your family more hardship, that’s not our fault.
18 irma // Mar 25, 2010 at 10:13 am
Reyfeo,
My life would have been harder in Mexico,
I think you have been dealt a line by your family.
Teenagers from Mexico are not given green cards or granted legal residency. So, your father was illegal for awhile too.
When my father left Mexico, there was political instability in his village. The local ranchers
were terrorizing the people of his village over water rights. So, my father LEFT a politically
unstable situation for work as a teenager. So did his brothers. He had a RIGHT to leave his country and go anywhere he felt safe. To quote him ” Yo no quería vivir mi vida, rascando la tierra. ”
No, I am not an anomaly of success. Everyone in my family is just like me. We have airline pilots, teachers, nurses , accountants. 4 of my cousins on the paternal side fought in Vietnam, 2 have made the military a career. No one has ever been arrested or thrown in jail. Anomaly?
This is my family and we are typical of what Mexico has to offer the United States.
My mother’s parents were illegal too until after
WWII. They contributed two soldiers in WWII, one earned a purple heart. During that war, my grandfather used to pick up soldiers and bring them home for dinner. He said he hoped that someone would do the same for his sons if they
were separated from their platoons. He did this for 3 years.
Yes, growing up was hard – but it would have been worse in Mexico. My father did the right thing in leaving his country. At least we had running water and electricity most of the time.
BTW, my father was a really smart guy. He learned how to read English and spent his leisure time reading the Encyclopedia Britannica
with a dictionary by his side. I was not surprised, somewhere along the line he learned about electrical circuits. So when he noticed that I was solving these kinds of problems in high school physics class – he explained how to do them intuitively without using algebra. I suppose as you say – he too was an anomaly? Mexicans are very smart people, why do you think that we are all a bunch of lazy, stupid bums?
Illegal immigrants pay taxes. My father, his brothers and my grandfather all paid Social Security taxes for over 20 years without ever being asked to prove their citizenship.
You have swallowed the conservative Koolaid – be careful it is poisoning you.
19 Reyfeo // Mar 25, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Again irma, I truly respect your success and your family for that matter…but let’s make some progress you and I. What is it that you want? Haiti has a thousand poor cabrones without home…wanna bring them here? What about Afghanistan? Don’t hear you and your liberal friend’s screaming to bring them to Califas and or Texas. You see, like your father, I learned one a few things from mine…like you for instance, ‘you can’t pick and choose the rules you want to live by’. If you only fight for Mexicans to come to this country then you must also be willing to let every other illegal immigrant as well, and you won’t, quite frankly we can’t…you think Mexicans are special. Well, they’re not…we are Americans first and as such you need to realize that before you wake and find that China has bought up your neighborhood and that la raza (I mean the illegal ones) have trampled all over the Homeowners Association neighborhood you live in and ruined your home value.
Also, I want to correct your comment about Mexicans a being smart. People, Irma, are smart. Race/Nationality doesn’t make a difference…in your eyes perhaps it does and so it clouds your judgment about what is right for THIS country. Lastly, if Mexicans were indeed brainiacs, they would have solved their country’s problem and then maybe your father would have never left. But that’s not the case is it. For folks like you to put race or heritage before your own country own leads us down that prim rose of a country your father left behind. You’re an American Irma, no one is asking you to give up your heritage, just your façade that heritage trumps being an American first.
20 Reyfeo blowsgoats // Mar 25, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Reyfeo! You self-loathing ignorant sack of proto-plasm. I feel sorry for you. Too brown to be white, and to white to be brown.lol Quick find a really tall building and jump off it. Nice knowing you. Not really…
21 irma // Mar 25, 2010 at 8:20 pm
Reyfeo,
I support the concept of an open US border for
everyone. I am also pro- Mexican but that doesn’t mean I don’t want the same things for everyone else. You, on the other hand, seem to think that just because you were born a few feet
away from Mexico, this means you are not anything like those born on the Mexican side of the border.
Reyfeo, be honest with yourself. You think Mexicans are stupid. Your disdain of Mexicans is very clear. We are not stupid , that is all I meant to say. I said nothing about the intelligence of other people.
I have one request if you want to continue this discussion. Please communicate in proper English. There is no Califas, only the state of California. Also, please do not insult Haitians or anyone else with gutter language. Spanish is
a beautiful language – don’t cheapen it.
Reyfeo, I have American citizenship , but I am a Mexican. Unlike you, my identity has not been determined by the place of my birth.
I was born in East Texas, far away from the Mexican border. I didnt grow up surrounded by Mexicans like you did. It is therfore odd to me that you identify as an American considering where you were born.
Lastly, you are mistaken if you understood me to say that only Mexicans are smart and other people are not. Let me express the same idea, in another way – Mexicans are not stupid.
Sadly, even if everyone in Mexico had an IQ of
185, this would not be enough to solve their political and economic problems. What Mexico needs is a redistribution of the country’s wealth and this will never happen.
22 Reyfeo // Mar 26, 2010 at 7:07 am
Likewise irma, if you want to continue to have an open conversation like me, you need not put words into my mouth.
I don’t hate Mexicans; I just think they need to stay in their country. And come here invited (workers visas etc) or as legalized American Citizens.
Also, the major difference between you and I is that I consider myself to be an American first…I love my Mexican heritage but will never fly the Mexican flag in my house or in my car.
You see irma, you can’t have it both ways, you either are an American and or a Mexican…if indeed you claim to be Mexican, then go back to Mexico. But you won’t irma, because like your father you are drawn to the beacon of liberty and hope, else call yourself a hypocrite. I understand you want to help and or make things better for Mexicans…but they can only help themselves. Allowing every cabron (oops I did it again) to come over the border only leads to idiots like the one above who thinks he can write insults when someone disagrees with him. No irma, you are an American, act like it or leave it.
Lastly, if or when you have children, how will you explain to them to live in this country but be loyal to the other (Mexico). You see that’s the difference between immigrants from Mexico and those that came from say Ellis Island era in the early 1900′s…they quickly adopted this country as the homeland to be loyal to…after all it is the one that allowed them to feed, clothe and shelter their homes without intrusion from the government. Not so in cases like you…you want to call yourself an American success and be loyal the country whom your father knew wasn’t going to allow him (or you) do it. I just don’t get it.
As for redistribution…you’ve obviously never worked a day in your life hoeing cotton in the hot West Texas fields…or picking melons down in El Valle, or how about been in ‘la espiga’ (corn husk twisting)…because if you did, you would understand that if I earn my money, I want to keep it and not have the Fed Government “redistribute it” to idiots like the one above who’s probably never had a callous on his hands (unless you call playing with yourself work). So you are correct Mexico will not ever redistribute the wealth…good for them, Mexicans who like to earn their money ought to be able to keep it…now if only NObama could get a clue.
23 irma // Mar 26, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Reyfeo,
Where do I begin? How about Ellis Island?
I happen to be married to someone whose great grandparents came to America through Ellis Island. The family is successful and hardworking. But, guess what – even though
they are American citizens, they consider themselves Jews first. They understand my position on immigration completely and agree with me and not you. In my husband’s family, Jewish interests trump American interests any day of the week. This is perfectly understandable. I mean, why should mere geographic location and place of birth, trump 6000 years of culture ?
You are right, I have never worked in the fields.
My mother and her family, however, worked as migrant workers until after the New Deal. She picked cotton by hand and worked in a canning factory until she was 14 years old. Shortly after that my grandfather started his business and they never looked back.
It was she who gave me my political bearings.
Apparently the hot West Texas sun affected her brain differently than it did yours.
24 When Running Behind, Start Blaming the ‘Little People’! // Mar 26, 2010 at 1:25 pm
[...] in California. I have already noted the GOP’s ‘Tough Talk on Immigration’ in this blog post, but it seems to be boiling over. Candidate Poizner has released two new ads in recent days that [...]
25 Reyfeo // Mar 26, 2010 at 7:44 pm
You’ve stepped into a whole new arena with the Jewish people thing…but let me correct you by saying the analogy is not the same…your Jewish family see themselves as Jewish first because its the analogous to saying your a Christian before you are American…I too put GOD above anything else and hence your analogy doesn’t hold water as to why you consider yourself Mexican above American…had you said they considered themselves Israeli first above being American, while being American Citizens, then I would say they are confused too and very wrong…if you’re going to live in this country, you need to be an American first…anything else is reckless and a complete disregard for what America really stand for, and it isn’t open borders or people like yourself whose loyalty is in complete question…either way, thaks for discussing.
HEY WEBBY, what about the Blowsgoat guy…are you seriously going to allow threats like that to be posted on this website…I know you don’t like what I say, but surely you too can draw the line somewhere.
26 irma // Mar 27, 2010 at 9:17 am
Reyfeo, Jewishness is MORE than religion.
It is culture and ethnicity too. Even Jews who are atheist,and some in my family are, place Jewishness over their American loyalties.
Being Israeli doesnt equate with Jewishness.
There are Palestinians and other Arabs who are
Israelis. But since you bring it up, I do know a few Israeli Jews who are also American citizens.
Their loyalties are with the Jewish people (not necessarily Israelis) wherever they may be.
Christianity is a religion, If there were war between Israel and the USA, they would be on first boat back to Tel Aviv. Religion is part of Judaism but there is a great deal more.
Haven’t you heard ? Jews are a tribe……..
I reject your advice about “being an American
first.” You are living in some kind of dream world of American patriotism. Have you ever been to Boston, Massachusett? It is the most bigoted city in the United States. The cradle of liberty is really the cradle of bigotry. Some years ago, I got harassed and pelleted with stones by a bunch of white,Irish Catholics who objected to my presence in their neighborhood.
They had never seen a Mexican ( I suppose), as I was called a “gook.”. I didnt even know what that meant at the time.
America, might be you – it is not me.
27 irma // Mar 27, 2010 at 9:23 am
Do not equate Christianity with Judaism.
They have nothing in common. Judaism is tribal, Christianity is not. This was my point.
What does America stand for Reyfeo?
Lets hear it.
28 Reyfeo // Mar 27, 2010 at 5:11 pm
I think we’re saying the same thing with a few exceptions. Christianity is a faith not a religion…being Catholic is a Religion based on Christianity…Being Jewish is a faith (and yes a culture and of the Tribe of Judah etc..I get that okay)…The Jewish are probably the only faith/culture I would agree with you that would head back to Israel to defend the homeland…agree here to…but still I think you’re wrong about being American. It was founded on Christian beliefs…this is the homeland for us. Whether you are Baptist, Catholic or any other denomination of Christian belief, this is your homeland. So live like it…in my opinion you are the most dangerous type of individual to the American way of life. You insist on living here but never really give anything back the one country that has allowed you to be great (and your parents and children for that matter)…if folks like you ever get the majority (and right now you do with this crazy Obama and his clan of idiots) it will be the end of this great country. Because you don’t see that the ideals you believe in, in of themselves are a destructive religion bound in a progressive type euphoria that eventually leads to same sex marriage, abortions etc…I could go on about how I believe it leads to the dooming of a civilization by Gods hand but it would get to holistic for you and you probably call me a right wing Christian fanatic/crazy.
Lastly, if you don’t know what America stands for by now, then I can’t help you…if you don’t have American pride by now and are not willing to die for her, then your father wasted his time getting you here. I don’t mean to be crass as I’m sure it’s something you may never understand.
29 irma // Mar 28, 2010 at 10:59 am
Reyfeo,
I personally have contributed plenty to the United States because I am an educator. The next generation of educators in the US will include some of my students. I pay taxes and have never personally broken a law. By most standards, I am a model citizen.
The United States by the way, was not founded on Christian beliefs. Some of the founding fathers were nominally Christian- some were atheist. Christianity is based on the fundamental idea that man’s relationship (salvation) with God must be through Jesus of Nazareth. Recall the line in the Christian Bible
” I am the way, the truth and the life etc.”
The core of Christian beliefs is contained in this one line. As you know, Jesus is not mentioned at all in the US Constitution. I ask you, why omit Jesus from the United States constitution, if the USA was meant to be founded on Christian principles? Christian principles are based entirely on the gospel of Jesus.
One of the founding fathers of the United States started the first public library, go there and educate yourself. Your posts on this blog have revealed some serious gaps in your education , which could be easily corrected by a little bit of directed reading. It is never too late to expand your base of knowledge. My late father , who started out with a third grade education in Mexico – opened up his world by reading the encyclopedia during his forties.
If he could widen his horizons- so can you.
I love the library- it changed my life, maybe it will change your perspective.
30 Lando Griffin // Apr 3, 2010 at 12:32 pm
The infrastructure can not support this. That is all the needs to be said. If you aren’t here legally get out. We can’t support you. If we could that would be great, but we can’t. The schools and hospitals are overcrowded.
Illegals don’t give a damn about this country. They are clinging to a state that is drowning in debt and when it goes under they’ll simply say “adios!” and move on to leech off the next one. Mexican americans that support unmitigated immigration to this county are just as bad. They want to open the gates to finish off this already financially overburdened state.
These are the facts there is no arguing with the state of the schools and hospitals. I couldn’t care less about global inequity. It is not our responsibility to solve that problem. Just as these people are trying to leech and deplete us to to survive, it is our role to prevent them from doing so at the expense of our own.
31 irma // Apr 3, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Lando Griffin,
Tomorrow is Easter,think about what actually
means.
32 cindy // May 17, 2010 at 8:36 pm
I will vote for Poizner! No one, mexican or other should be allowed to invade our country then demand we change our laws to accomdate them! If you are a legal Mexican here in America, you should be angry also that someone is taking advantage of the country you worked hard to be a part of. All Mexicans coming to America should learn English. If you don’t want to asimilate, go back to Mexico.
33 cindy // May 17, 2010 at 8:56 pm
You are well informed and observant Reyfeo! Bully for you man. It does not as they say “take rocket science” to see how the illegal invasion is hurting not just California, but every state that illegals occupy. Yeah, they do “day labor” constuction for cash. THAT IS A FACT. They don’t pay taxes, they don’t have a $800.00/mo. medical premium to pay to carry insurance, they let ME pay for their medical care through my tax dollar using the emergency room. Just go into any emergency room in the states most flooded with illegals and you won’t be able to deny it. On top of that, they get free child care, food stamps, low cost or NO COST housing. WOW, if my government would give me hand outs like that I could work for less money too! I would have a lot less expenses. I am sick and tired of illegal invaders from Mexico taking advantage of us than crying now that AMERICA IS FINALLY WAKING UP. How long did you all think we would put up with it? By the way, this is not racism. It has NOTHING to do with your skin color. IT HAS EVERYTHING to do with what your actions have been and are. I wouldn’t care if you were pink with purple poka dots, you are still here illegally and sucking off our system. Now that you have learned to speak your mind so loudly, go back to the Mexico you love so much and make your voice heard to YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT. MAKE THEM CHANGE NOT US.
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